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Bruciebabie

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Can we please talk about F1 on this F1 thread. We now have lots of pages of people whingeing about Sky TV without adding anything to the discussion. FWIW I think Sky will do a spectacularly good job and will massively improve the viewing experience, they have done so for every sport they have touched. Soccer pre Sky used two cameras to cover a premiership game, it was dire, now Sky can show the action from multiple viewing angles.

Now let's talk about F1 for a change.

Firstly I am mightily pissed off at no Kimi and no Kubica next year, 2 great drivers. Let's hope Kimi finds another way back and that Robert recovers sufficiently to return to the sport.

Today there is a very high chance of rain in Brazil. This can put qualifying on its head and favour certain drivers such as Button and the cobbler. A bet on Michael just now might not be a bad idea.

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JohnC

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Can we please talk about F1 on this F1 thread. We now have lots of pages of people whingeing about Sky TV without adding anything to the discussion.

Talking about where to watch F1 and the cost to watch F1 is entirely relevant to F1. Just because you don't want to see people complaining about your corporate heroes doesn't mean we can't talk about where to watch F1.

People have talked about other 4 wheel motorsport in this thread too, but I don't see you complaining about that. Just about people not being happy with your corporate heroes and using F1 as an invalid excuse to try to stop people talking about it.

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Talking about where to watch F1 and the cost to watch F1 is entirely relevant to F1. Just because you don't want to see people complaining about your corporate heroes doesn't mean we can't talk about where to watch F1.

People have talked about other 4 wheel motorsport in this thread too, but I don't see you complaining about that. Just about people not being happy with your corporate heroes and using F1 as an invalid excuse to try to stop people talking about it.

"£600!!??! I'm streaming"

"I could go see some races for that!"

"I'm getting on my quad"

ad nauseam

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Bruciebabie

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Well Renault have stepped back from their position regarding Kubica after his manager laid into them.

He said: Morelli though has stated that Renault have twisted Kubica’s words and that he only meant to say that he will not be ready for next season tests. Another point that Kubica’s manager denied was that the Pole will not remain contracted to Renault throughout 2012.

“I don't understand why Renault has changed Robert's words,” Morelli told Gazzetta dello Sport. “It's not true he won't be ready for 2012. He stated he doesn't have certainty that he will be in shape for the first tests in February. We count on and hope to be ready, but in any case the delay will be a few months.”

Now Renault say: Renault team principal Eric Boullier says bad translation may have caused the controversy involving Robert Kubica's return to Formula One next season.

Earlier this week, the driver's manager had reportedly dismissed a statement by Renault saying that Kubica would not be able to race for the team early in the 2012 season because of the injuries sustained in a rally crash at the beginning of the year.

"I think the issue came up that some translation maybe was wrongly done in the far east of Europe and the message was really that he would not be able to be back in 2012 which is not the message at all," said Boullier.

"The message was clear. He will not be at the start of the season, or the (preseason) test if you want, but he may come back next year. We have waited for Robert," Boullier said. "We would like Robert to be back."

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Firstly I am mightily pissed off at no Kimi and no Kubica next year, 2 great drivers. Let's hope Kimi finds another way back and that Robert recovers sufficiently to return to the sport.

Direct your anger at the individuals or their managers, not the teams. Its no ones fault that Kimi decided to go rallying, he didn't have to take Ferrari's pay-off, Barrichello didn't. I imagine the deal fell through between him and Williams due to his demands too, in his eyes he's still "Kimi Raikkonen, F1 World Champion 2007", in the Paddocks eyes he's "Kimi Raikkonen, Former F1 World Champion, not driven an F1 car for two years", there's a huge difference.

In regards to Kubica, he chose to go Rallying, much like Kimi. It was a horrible horrible accident and Renault have done him a huge favour by monitoring his progress and giving him the possibility of a drive meaning he has something to fight for, but they didn't have to do that and you can't help but wonder where they'd have been if they could get a proper long term replacement for him (such as Raikkonen...) if they hadn't have made that promise.

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Bruciebabie

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Sutil is a much better choice for Williams than an out of practice Kimi. He stands a far better chance of helping them develop their car. Look a FI's progress. He's been part of that.

IYHO

Class is permanent and Kimi is more than a bit special. If McLaren had made cars that didn't disintegrate he would have been 3 times WDC.

Sutil so far is a reasonably fast journeyman who used to crash a lot and who has been beaten on occasion this season by a rookie driving an identical car.

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If class is so permanent, and it's available right now ready to go why aren't more teams beating a path to his door?

Its because he's had his tIme. No one with a winning car would risk putting him in it.

And talking of being beaten occasionally by a rookie in an identical car, so what? Alonso isn't any less of a driver for it.

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Bruciebabie

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If class is so permanent, and it's available right now ready to go why aren't more teams beating a path to his door?

Its because he's had his tIme. No one with a winning car would risk putting him in it.

And talking of being beaten occasionally by a rookie in an identical car, so what? Alonso isn't any less of a driver for it.

1) Most teams have settled driver lineups.

2) Kimi is expensive at a time when most drivers bring huge amounts of money with them.

Are you seriously suggesting that Kimi isn't a better bet than Webber (winning car)?

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Class is permanent and Kimi is more than a bit special.

I'd say Schumacher disproves that theory. He's been beaten constantly by Rosberg for 2 years now.

F1 is a technology sport, if you're not right at the cutting edge or even in a high downforce series like the Le Mans series or Indy car, you can not get in an F1 car and be fast. Schumacher has proved that.

Sutil would be faster than Kimi because he understands KERS and DRS and all the thousands of little things that an F1 driver has to do these days. Take Abu Dhabi and Button having to reset his KERS whilst defending his position from Webber, it's not a case of "press and hold the circle button for 1 lap" he had to disable it and then reset the ECU. Driver with experience and money are at a premium these days, current relevant experience, not experience from 3 years ago.

That and the fact Kimi never gave the impression that he could give a shit half the time. If he wasn't in a car that could win he couldn't be arsed. The Mechanics didn't like him, the media didn't like him and the teams gave up with his stroppy attitude. he didn't do much testing, his feed back and development work was lackluster at best and he was more interested in having a good time than driving the team forward.

He burned his bridges and the fact the like of Renault and now Williams don't want him unless he has a whole shed load of cash speaks volumes.

The only other driver to get fired from Ferrari was Prost when he complained the car was a pile of shit and the team wasn't working hard enough. Ferrari wanted shot of kimi because he didn't give a fuck, they paid him to fuck off.

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I'm glad so many people here are paying for the right for sky to give us multiple angles and do a fantastic job of broadcasting it..... The sport is bound to benefit from nobody watching. What's it done for cricket? couldn't tell you, can't follow it anymore. What's it done for football? made the majority of clubs dogshit poor and elevated the sport to something which I can't begin to explain. What will it do for F1?

If you don't think it's not going to have an effect then bully for you, I'm glad your wealthy enough to justify the expense. I cannot, and after today my input into this thread becomes somewhat limited if non-existent. It's not about the fans, it's about the money, it's the single biggest kick in the nuts I think I've ever encountered and I'm not going to be a part of it going forward. I love racing more than most, but I'm not prepared to pay for coverage when I can be paying to take part myself.

Anyway, that's my parting shot on the subject.

If it rains I'm going for Button all the way, with massa falling over a raindrop in the first corner.

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ITV ruined football clubs, football under sky is better off in isolation as they only cover the premier league, ITV put league sides to the sword. Football and cricket are better on Sky of that there is no doubt, more money in both and thats how we judge things these days - check the strikes thread. We live in a capitalist society and sky do it better and generate more money its that simple, for that you pay or you don't.

Sport and esp F1 has fuck all to do with the fans and hasn't for decades, its a business and F1 is about the worst example of a 'for fans sport' you could have picked. At best it entertainment and you pay for entertainment or you're not entertained so its pretty simple isn't it, nothing is free and its not surprising the most expensive sport on the planet is going to cost money to watch, it was never free under the BBC and they simply can't afford it anymore.

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wev

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haha, Jackie Stewart commentating on this race "No Stewart corner I regret to say" (Brands has sections of the circuit named after Hailwood, Cooper, Hill, Clark, Surtees, Stirling Moss and Brabham from memory).

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SMD

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I don't think those sports have suffered from sky's involvement. It's only in Britain that it's now harder to see them on the TV.

The IPL for instance is massive in India.

I don't understand how that's a good argument. Indians are so crazy about cricket and they have over a billion people to carve a market out of.

F1 is a totally different beast.

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Not really, 8 million UK views against 600 million worldwide viewers....

Agreed but you also have to factor in the return on sponsorship, I'd imagine the UK is one of the biggest markets for sponsors, for example.

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Also interesting point on the IPL: the first year, the rights were with ITV...for nothing. They were so desperate to have it on TV in the UK that ITV ended up spending less than £100,000 on everything to do with their coverage (e.g. the website).

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