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Dudley

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I fear that overall they will be up, the BBC shows are shorter and in that peak time where people like my ex-housemate who literally live in front of the TV when they're not busy not paying his fucking bills will literally watch anything.

So you could find nearly every GP gets Brazil or Canada figures overall, and that's what they'll quote.

The first run figures will be down 75% minimum of course but you'll never hear those from Bernie or from the anti-beeb media.

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I fear that overall they will be up, the BBC shows are shorter and in that peak time where people like my ex-housemate who literally live in front of the TV when they're not busy not paying his fucking bills will literally watch anything.

So you could find nearly every GP gets Brazil or Canada figures overall, and that's what they'll quote.

The first run figures will be down 75% minimum of course but you'll never hear those from Bernie or from the anti-beeb media.

Down 75%? If its a free channel on Sky and Virgin given their subscription numbers are north of 15m i can't see them dropping hardly any viewers and certainly nothing like 75%!

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Down 75%? If its a free channel on Sky and Virgin given their subscription numbers are north of 15m i can't see them dropping hardly any viewers and certainly nothing like 75%!

We already know it's not a free channel on Sky (You either have to have at least Sky Sports or Sky HD), right now it's not on Virgin at all.

Less than 4 million have Sky HD. No more than 2.6 million have EVER watched a Sky Sports program (and no way is F1 as popular with generic sky subscribers as the end of a close football season).

Given the beeb got 8 million for some races, a 75% fall (namely 2 million) seems almost optimistic.

And Sky would love 15m overall subs. They actually have a very little over 10m.

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We already know it's not a free channel on Sky (You either have to have at least Sky Sports or Sky HD), right now it's not on Virgin at all.

Less than 4 million have Sky HD. No more than 2.6 million have EVER watched a Sky Sports program (and no way is F1 as popular with generic sky subscribers as the end of a close football season).

Given the beeb got 8 million for some races, a 75% fall (namely 2 million) seems almost optimistic.

And Sky would love 15m overall subs. They actually have a very little over 10m.

Ive obv missed something, last i heard it was free to sky customers not just sky sports.

15 million was sky + virgin base, it will be on virgin i have no doubt in that - more ad revenue.

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Dudley

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And here's some more evidence.

http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weekly-top-programmes-overview?

Look at the latest week, F1 Abu Dhabi? 4.68 million for a known dull race for a championship already decided.

Now go back a week,

The best of the football matches gets 1.42million in nailed on prime time. (I think that might actually have been the Manchester derby)

The others get 1, 0.94 and a pair of 0.85.

They can't reliably get a million to watch football, the most popular sport in the country. In prime time. F1 getting more than the 1.2million that would still represent a 75% fall seems... optimistic.

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The one thing F1 has in its favour is that all the teams compete at the same time. There are obviously football fans who will watch any game, but generally the majority of the people watching a match will be fans of those two teams.

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Dudley

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The one thing F1 has in its favour is that all the teams compete at the same time. There are obviously football fans who will watch any game, but generally the majority of the people watching a match will be fans of those two teams.

Seems fair, a quick hunt for an ITV1 champions league day shows one at the end of September with 3.61 million

The best champions league match on Sky in the last set of figures - 0.94

Ok technically that's only a 74% drop... ;)

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I do agree there'll be a drop off, I've no intention of having Sky Sports on my Virgin Media package, I have ESPN as its included in the XL TV package they do but if it weren't I wouldn't upgrade (as I only use it when they show Arsenal matches and ESPN classics for the Classic F1 shows they do).

Also, who's commentating in P3?

lol!

"Ted has a collection of Gurney flaps"

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I love the BBC coverage of F1, wish it was staying and they have done a decent job with viewing figures - however it doesn't make them any money and it costs loads - look at your list, there are some very cheap to produce programmes smashing F1 viewing figures, the BBC couldn't afford F1 and thats the long and short of it.

Sky will generate money from having F1, can afford to outbid anyone even with small numbers and will no doubt generate more money for Bernie/F1 than the beeb ever could. Dropping a few million viewers will have zero effect given global figures are over 600m.

It is sad as F1 is big in the UK from teams to drivers but none of this will change and there is still comprehensive coverage on the BBC secured for 7 years.

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Dudley

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Are they going to have ad breaks on sky? I boycott sony products due to their involvement in ruining f1 by playing the same 5 second crappy adverts 12 times each race when it was on itv.

They claim not during the actual races.

What we don't know is if that's contractual or just them trying something.

Or to put it another way, we don't know if it'll stop the instant they think they can get away with it.

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Are they going to have ad breaks on sky? I boycott sony products due to their involvement in ruining f1 by playing the same 5 second crappy adverts 12 times each race when it was on itv.

The Sky F1 website says "uninterpupted"

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Just noticed the typo, thats staying, I like it.

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That seems quite reasonable of them, I assumed it would be ad break every 15 minutes. I'm still loathe to pay £600+ for it in hd after getting it for free this year. It's a shame you can't subscribe to a single sky channel, or stream it online. I would pay £50-100 per season for just the f1 races and nothing else, £600 per season just seems over the top.

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I love the BBC coverage of F1, wish it was staying and they have done a decent job with viewing figures - however it doesn't make them any money and it costs loads - look at your list, there are some very cheap to produce programmes smashing F1 viewing figures, the BBC couldn't afford F1 and thats the long and short of it.

Sky will generate money from having F1, can afford to outbid anyone even with small numbers and will no doubt generate more money for Bernie/F1 than the beeb ever could. Dropping a few million viewers will have zero effect given global figures are over 600m.

It is sad as F1 is big in the UK from teams to drivers but none of this will change and there is still comprehensive coverage on the BBC secured for 7 years.

Times are hard, people and corporations are skint, and Bernie couldn't cut the cost could he.

That's why I say 'get fucked'.

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Bernie still keen on giving credence to the murdering and torturing gangster family that runs Bahrain: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15882168.stm

The Bahrain Grand Prix will take place in 2012 despite ongoing concerns about civil unrest in the country, says Formula 1 boss Bernie Ecclestone.

An independent report about a crackdown on protests in Bahrain has accused authorities of "excessive force" and listed a raft of human rights abuses.

But Ecclestone said: "It's on the calendar. We'll be there, unless something terrible happens to stop us."

He added that he did not expect the race to become a magnet for protests.

Despite this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15850509

The Bahraini authorities used "excessive force" during a crackdown on protests earlier this year, an independent commission has said.

Presenting a much-awaited report into the events in February and March, the commission said a number of detained protesters had been tortured.

More than 40 people died in the unrest.

Responding to the criticism in the report, King Hamad vowed to do everything possible so "those painful events won't be repeated".

Bahrain has a majority Shia Muslim population and the violence has fuelled anger against the ruling Sunni royal family and political elite.

More than 1,600 people have been arrested during the protests, which have continued sporadically since the peak of the unrest eight months ago.

'No Iran link'

The summary of the 500-page report was presented by the Bahrain Independent Commission at King Hamad's palace in Manama on Wednesday.

The head of the commission, Professor Cherif Bassiouni said investigations carried out by the panel had found that Bahrain's security forces "used excessive force" in suppressing the unrest.

Many detainees were later subjected to "physical and psychological torture" and their basic human rights had been violated, he said.

Many inmates, he added, had been blindfolded, whipped, kicked, given electric shocks and threatened with rape to extract confessions.

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Bruciebabie

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Button looks mightily fast and determined.

Yet still Adrian Newey Vettel is faster.

Let's hope qualifying isn't too predictable.

btw Force India are on 57 points, Renault on 72, so probably they are safe.

Closer are STR on 41 and Sauber on 42. The money has to be on STR finishing ahead.

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