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Sidewaysbob

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Damon was also 20 years younger than that lot !!

I'll agree that Damon could give excellent feed back to the engineers and gave Williams a lot of direction when it was very much needed. But he was no Kimi. Who only ever had two speeds, Bloody fast and where the Ice cream.

Damon could go out and drive lap after lap at exactly the same speed and time. He could then tell you what was wrong and how your changes would affect that. What he couldn't do is go out and rag the fucker to within and inch of its life and deliver you a pole against all the odds. When the car was perfect he was perfect when the car was slow he was slow. He led Williams after Sennas death and the driver aids had been stripped out, Newey rebuilt the car and delivered a world championship for Damon and Villeniurve. Damon was the rock the team needed to focus on.

Damon was bloody good when it was all prefect and he was a blody nice chap. He wasn't German and got rilled up by Schumacher too often.

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Dom B

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I am a big fan of Damon Hill.

In testing he was consistently faster than Mansell, Prost and Senna, in the identical car.

In recent F1 the only driver to compare with Damon for outright speed is Kimi.

Hmm, I'd like to see the data that supports that as I find it very hard to believe that Damon's outright speed was greater than the man with more pole positions than anyone had ever done before, including all three races in which he had identical equipment to Damon.

The only way it could be true is if, I dunno, either the car pretty much drove itself, or... the car was a complete arse to control and as a designated test driver he had vastly more miles and experience of its 'quirks'. The fact that he couldn't bring that to the racetrack is telling.

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I think alot of people really under rate Damon, although I think Brucie over rates him. I think everyone he's ever driven with and for has always had good things to say of him (except maybe Frentzen after their time at Jordan...), I also think he had it especially hard living in his fathers shadow.

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Bruciebabie

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The only way it could be true is if, I dunno, either the car pretty much drove itself, or... the car was a complete arse to control and as a designated test driver he had vastly more miles and experience of its 'quirks'. The fact that he couldn't bring that to the racetrack is telling.

C&P from thingypedia

Pre-season testing showed the car had speed but it was difficult to drive. The FIA had banned electronic drivers aids, such as active suspension, traction control and ABS, to make the sport more "human". It was these technological advancements that the Williams chassis' of the previous years had been built around. With their removal in '94 Williams had not been a good-handling car, as observed by other F1 drivers, having been seen to be very loose at the rear. Senna himself had made numerous (politically careful) comments that the Williams FW16 had some quirks which needed to be ironed out. It was obvious that the FW16, after the regulation changes banning active suspension and traction control, exhibited none of the superiority of the FW15C and Williams FW14B cars that had preceded it. The surprise of testing was Benetton-Ford which was less powerful but more nimble than the Williams.

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I was a big Damon Hill fan too, but I wouldn't say he's a match for Kimi on out and out speed tho.

Some of his drives were amazing, Suzuka 94, Budapest 97, Spa 98, Monza 98, Suzuka 98 (overtaking Frentzen on the last corner of the entire season to give Jordan 4th? amazing)

He had the car to win the title in 1995 and probably should have done better.

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Lets just remember what happened during the race at Donnington in 1993 shall we, despite the 1993 Williams being the most technologically advanced racing car ever made :)

Fun fact, that was the first GP I ever attended.

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Bruciebabie

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Bahrain GP under threat. Excellent.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95834

Formula 1 chiefs are to discuss the 2012 calendar later this year, amid concern about the status of some of the races that are on next year's schedule.

AUTOSPORT has learned that talks about the position of the 2012 Bahrain and Korean Grands Prix have been added to the agenda for Thursday's meeting of the F1 Commission in Geneva.

Furthermore, sources have revealed that F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone informed team principals over the Indian Grand Prix weekend that there were also now minor question marks about the fate of the new Austin Grand Prix.

Bahrain's position on the calendar is dependent on the ongoing political situation within the Gulf state, with this year's event having been cancelled because of troubles.

The fate of the Korean Grand Prix rests on its financial situation, with race promoters having revealed that they want to reduce the hosting fee going forward - something Ecclestone has said he is reluctant to do.

It is understood that if either race is dropped then Turkey is the favourite to replace it, after losing its place on the calendar.

Speaking to AUTOSPORT, Ecclestone said that he was keen for both Bahrain and Korea to remain on the schedule.

"Yes, absolutely," he said. "But let's wait and see."

The situation in Austin appears more complicated, with Ecclestone suggesting that, while construction work is ongoing, there are issues inside the company that is putting the event together.

"I don't think they are struggling [with building the track] at all," he explained. "I think there has been a disagreement inside the company."

When asked if he was certain the race would take place in 2012, Ecclestone said: "If you had said to me a month ago, is this [the Indian GP] 100 per cent going to happen then I would have said, 'I don't know'. So ask me a month before the race is due to happen."

But with Ecclestone having already pulled off a deal for New Jersey to hold a grand prix in 2013, he said that it would not be too much a blow if Austin's arrival on the calendar was delayed.

"We can have it next year or the year after," he said. "It is not the end of the world."

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Sidewaysbob

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Bahrain can whistle Dixie as far as i'm concerned it's an awful track run my murdering bastards. :quote:

I kind of like Korea and hope it gets a chance to sort things out.

Texas ... i still don't know who's going to go to that in the middle of the summer. it's going to be about 10000 degrees in the shade. there are better circuits that just need a bit of fixing.

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It seems like madness to build a track these days. It costs a fortune to build. It costs a fortune in Bernie tax. And there might be a handful of races on it before its dumped. Especially when they seem to like doing it in bad locations and with bad track design. Is it some kind of money laundering operation?

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Picasso Of Pain

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Bahrain can whistle Dixie as far as i'm concerned it's an awful track run my murdering bastards. :quote:

I kind of like Korea and hope it gets a chance to sort things out.

Texas ... i still don't know who's going to go to that in the middle of the summer. it's going to be about 10000 degrees in the shade. there are better circuits that just need a bit of fixing.

Texas has been moved to a November slot on the calender but somehow I think we will see the race next year. Turkey's got to be pretty happy with the rumours about these three races as they in a prime place to fill nempty calender spot

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Bahrain should go because it's a borefest anyway. Been on the calendar since 2004, and I don't recall a single incident worth noting... sure you could argue that isn't the location's fault, but to this day it still remains a squiggly round line of tarmac in a desert.

Ditto with Valencia, but the revenue from the fish market will keep it going.

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According to DC Ferrari have no choice rather than dropping Massa after the season. It's suggested that Rosberg will get his seat which comes in handy for Di Resta as he could move to Mercedes into the second seat - Sutil and Hulkenberg stay at Force India...

Sounds reasonable for me. (maybe only because I don't like Massa)

I love silly season :)

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Not too surprising. Seems that's most retired sportsman consider their era to be the golden age, with the skill and overall greatness of the competitors diminishing every year, making all achievements less worthy than they were in their day!

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Not too surprising. Seems that's most retired sportsman consider their era to be the golden age, with the skill and overall greatness of the competitors diminishing every year, making all achievements less worthy than they were in their day!

From the list:

Alberto Ascari

Jim Clark

Alain Prost

Juan Manuel Fangio

Stirling Moss.

It looks like he wanted to include only one of Senna or Prost. And if you look at this bit of Bruce-stylee-wiki-copy-pasta:

Prost employed a smooth, relaxed style behind the wheel, deliberately modeling himself on personal heroes like Jackie Stewart and Jim Clark.[3] He was nicknamed "The Professor" for his intellectual approach to competition.

Good work, Mr Stewart.

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Bruciebabie

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Jackie Stewart does not consider Senna to be one of the top five drivers of all time. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9630731.stm

I must say that I am inclined to agree.

Jim Clark

Tazio Nuvolari

Gilles Villeneuve

Juan Miguel Fangio

Alain Prost

Jackie Stewart

Michael Schumacher

At least 5 of those are better. Perhaps all are.

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Depends what criteria you judge people by. IMO Jim Clark, Nuvolari and Senna got the most out of their cars. I think Jim Clark would have continued to dominate had he lived and would have gone down as indisputably the greatest.

Personally speaking I find Mansell an absolute inspiration, even Senna had a lot of financial backing but our Nige had sod all and fought his way to a spot and kept it. Cracking in other forms of racing too.

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Personally speaking I find Mansell an absolute inspiration, even Senna had a lot of financial backing but our Nige had sod all and fought his way to a spot and kept it. Cracking in other forms of racing too.

btcc93nigeshootoutcrash.jpg

;)

I couldn't stand him in the early days (was a Piquet fan) but grew to like him. The IndyCar / last few races for Williams especially.

Used to love staying up late to watch

NMI3.jpg

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http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/f1-commission-accepts-name-changes/

There is no official word on the matter, but we hear that the three name changes that were being requested by teams have all been agreed by the Formula 1 Commission, at a meeting in Geneva today. This means that next year Team Lotus will have a car called a Caterham; Lotus Renault GP will have a car called a Lotus and Marussia Virgin Racing will be running Marussia chassis. The confirmation of the name changes will not come until the next meeting of the FIa World Motors Sport Council, which is due to take place in the first week of December.

The news, if confirmed, is interesting in that it ends the fight between the two Lotuses. More importantly, by implication it confirms that Lotus Renault GP is now intrinsically linked to Group Lotus. The Norfolk car company was previously the title sponsor of the team, but the news that the other F1 teams have agreed to allow the F1 cars to race as Lotuses, would seem to confirm that the F1 teams will be used to promote car Group Lotus car sales. The agreement suggests that the other teams have been convinced that Group Lotus is in F1 to stay. my feeling is that this underlines the story that Genii is at the centre of a consortium that has bought Group Lotus from its parent company Proton and thus has a direct interest in both the car company and the team.

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