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Dudley

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Also reports on F1 Technical that during the yellow sector that Lewis got the penalty for the FIA's cockpit system had removed the yellow's & was showing green sectors. So the FIA fucks up & Lewis gets penalised. I'm jacks total lack of surprise. <_<

There were flags out. Flags override the cockpit system.

I have zero sympathy for anyone not obeying yellow flags, it's dangerous enough for marshals as it is. Double waved yellow flags mean marshals ON THE FUCKING TRACK. Frankly I'd have thrown both of out of the race weekend. You do NOT fuck about with human beings on the track, especially after recent events in motorsport.

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dayte

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Poor Lewis, he's suffering a midlife crisis. Not helped by the media, the officials and with his teammate seemingly going exactly the opposite direction of his life i.e. stable girlfriend, awesome wins, the love of his team.

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Er, it's blatantly obvious why that's on his helmet; nothing to do with Wheldon.

Well, I did have the same thought but scratched it as for some reason I didn't think Lewis would do that

I beleive it's actually about the charitable foundation that Bob Marley's kids have set up or something and they asked him to promote it for them. As he's a fan he said yes.

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Poor Lewis, he's suffering a midlife crisis. Not helped by the media, the officials and with his teammate seemingly going exactly the opposite direction of his life i.e. stable girlfriend, awesome wins, the love of his team.

I reckon he'll be alright now he's rid of that bubblehead

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This actually looks quite an interesting track, it's not perfectly flat for one which is good to see. Plus it looks like more people in the stands for a Friday practice than some of the newer tracks get for the race, might just be the first race effect though.

I'm in absolute agreement. This was P2 right? then the driver would know at least most of the marshalling points by this time, and a driver should be reacting to whats on the circuit at any given time and then using his in-cockpit technology as assistance.

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Dudley

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At 180mph he's supposed to know where a marshall is standing?

I'm really not sure they go into that level of detail....

No, he's supposed to go slow enough that WHEREVER a marshal is standing he can avoid them.

If anyone is doing 180 anywhere near a double waved yellow they have no place in motorsport.

two waved yellow flags at the same post means that drivers must slow down and be prepared to stop if necessary.

That's the rule. Prepare to stop. Not shoot through at 180mph and hope no-one is standing on the track.

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layten

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Yea it's not as if his in-car system was showing green or anything. But you are right, I'm sure he saw the yellows being waved and thought 'fuck it' the board shows green lets roll. We have all seen in-car footage of a F1 car being driven in anger, the speed at which everything flashes by makes things in the periphery hard to make out. You see what you think might be yellows, glance at your wheel and it shows green, what do you do?

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Dudley

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Yea it's not as if his in-car system was showing green or anything. But you are right, I'm sure he saw the yellows being waved and thought 'fuck it' the board shows green lets roll. We have all seen in-car footage of a F1 car being driven in anger, the speed at which everything flashes by makes things in the periphery hard to make out. You see what you think might be yellows, glance at your wheel and it shows green, what do you do?

The screen is irrelevant.

And in your scenario? If it's what's known as UNTIMED PRACTICE, I slow the fuck down.

We should probably get rid of the in car systems if they don't work. But again for the sake of the actual rules and you know, the wish for people to not get mown down when helping stricken drivers the flags are the only things that matter.

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layten

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Obviously if it doesn't work then yes they should get rid of it. I'm just saying that I doubt that Hamilton saw the double yellows and decided to ignore them. If you want to believe other wise and make ranty posts WITH WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS RAWR! then go for it.

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My issue over the whole thing is the information being given to the driver is ambiguous. If there were the flags & yellow lights in the cockpit & he still speeded its a totally fair cop & he deserves a penalty, however the lights in the cockpit are there for a reason. To advise the driver when he potentially can't look out for marshals. The drivers mental workload is immense so i can forgive him not looking at a marshall & going off his cockpit information. (my shitty reference is playing F1 2011, all my flag info comes from the cockpit, the marshals & flags are there, but bloody hard to spot at full pace)

So the FIA's light system didn't work correctly. Lewis potentially did not see the flags & has been penalised anyway. That's my issue with it.

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Part of his job is to be aware of where the Marshalls are, not only has he driven around the circuit, he's walked it too, they all do. He will have made a mental note of roughly where they are and we always hear about drivers "watching the screens" when they're driving around under race conditions for extra information, Vettel spotted Kovaleinen's pit stop light during one race, spotting two yellow flags shouldn't be a problem for a Grand Prix driver let alone a World Champion.

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myoozikk

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Even if there is conflicting trackside info...

Here yellow flags & a green board & a green flag by the green board.

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Look overall i just think i penalty is very harsh as nothing untoward happened & the FIA messed up their information. Fine or something like that would be more than enough.

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The stewards are morons, or the stewarding process is moronic.

Firstly, they apply punishments according to the consequences of actions rather than the actions themselves, I assume in an attempt to provide a 'fair' outcome, something quite impossible for an 'impartial' observer to do - they're on very shaky ethical grounds there. Secondly, they take driver's previous behaviour into account, therefore favouring those who they perceive to be a certain 'style' or 'type' of driver.

If they would assess incidents by driver's actions alone on a case-by-case basis we'd have much more consistent stewarding, imo.

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The stewards are morons, or the stewarding process is moronic.

Firstly, they apply punishments according to the consequences of actions rather than the actions themselves, I assume in an attempt to provide a 'fair' outcome, something quite impossible for an 'impartial' observer to do - they're on very shaky ethical grounds there. Secondly, they take driver's previous behaviour into account, therefore favouring those who they perceive to be a certain 'style' or 'type' of driver.

If they would assess incidents by driver's actions alone on a case-by-case basis we'd have much more consistent stewarding, imo.

Can't disagree with any of that, and its painfully obvious the statement about them taking drivers previous behaviour into account is true to some extent, particularly in the case of Hamilton.

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Dudley

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Even if there is conflicting trackside info...

Here yellow flags & a green board & a green flag by the green board.

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Look overall i just think i penalty is very harsh as nothing untoward happened & the FIA messed up their information. Fine or something like that would be more than enough.

What's conflicting about that? It's yellow until the green flags and board.

So the FIA's light system didn't work correctly. Lewis potentially did not see the flags & has been penalised anyway. That's my issue with it.

It's his job to see the flags. The safety of the marshals and his fellow competitors depends on it.

Oh and Alonso in 2003 in Brazil going through double waved yellows & having a massive crash but yet no penalties.

There is a reason I don't like Alonso. I remain astonished he got away with that.

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Who is negging Dudley? Safety is the first component of motorsport and everyone is expected to know the flags. There's no excuse and it endangers the marshalls. He made a decision, it was a bad call and he's taken the punishment. I think he's been lucky. Given the week we've had and a brand new circuit and staff it's even worse really.

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Hamilton himself says he was wrong and even using DRS when he shouldn't have. End of the day the flags are what count, the electronic lights are a supplement to them and there where double yellows out, so you lift off and be prepared to stop. Plus surely if there are mixed flags out you always follow the caution flag, lifting to a mistaken yellow is better than obeying a mistaken green.

"I was engaging the DRS when the yellow flags were out and you're not allowed to," Hamilton admitted.

"I went in there and I put my hands up and said I accept whatever penalty they give, and that's what they gave me."

The former champion added that his annoyance over the incident was entirely directed at himself.

"It is what it is and I'm just frustrated with myself," said Hamilton. "It's my fault as usual so I just have to do what I can from wherever I qualify tomorrow.

"It was looking good for us to qualify on pole at one stage. But tomorrow could be a different day.

"I have no one else to blame, it was only me driving."

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