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mexos

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Maybe Massa would burst the Vettel bubble.

LOL. Alonso isn't that much better than Vettel (IMO). The gap would be pretty much the same as it is now. Massa is all washed up as far as being a top line driver is concerned. I'm amazed he hasn't been shipped back to Sauber yet. I'd put my house on it happening in 2013. It should be happening next year...

When I hear EJ go on and on with superlatives about Vettel it makes me want to cringe. So far all Vettel has proved is that he is better than Webber.

He has wiped the floor with everyone else. Better car or not you've still got to do it. And he's done it in style.

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MrPogo

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Cool. Would be interesting to see it with DNF's taken out as well. I've just done a rough version with a few drivers (assuming they didn't cross the line on the 20+ position finishes) and worked out Webber would slot between Button and Hamilton on the average finishing position chart, with those three on 3.25, 3.38 and 3.75 on the occasions they actually took the car home.

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The talk of Massa today and his 8th place finishes got me drifting on a trip to see what the average stars and finishes for the top teams have been this year so far. So I made a little spreadsheet. Sad I know.

I think it's telling that of the six drivers in the top three teams, only Massa hasn't got on the podium. A best result of 5th just isn't good enough.

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JPR

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........and Massa has a habbit of going backwards. :coffee:

Only by 0.1 of a place more than Hamilton...

Still an average of 9th really isn't good enough, interesting to see the results like that. It does seem to show Alonso has had a better season than I thought, plus he and Button really are consistent showing up their team mates in that respect. Surprised by Schumacher I'd have assumed beforehand he'd have a better finishing average, those mistakes are letting him down, also his qualifying performance isn't helping.

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wev

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A real :doh: article (including comments from Jackie Stewart) in today's i.

Stewart claims "Great drivers don't crash as often [as Hamilton]", name checking himself, Fangio, Lauda and Clark, evidently forgetting there was a reason they didn't have as many accidents, it would normally lead in death, whilst James Lawton has pretty much suggested Anthony Hamilton should bend Lewis over his knee and teach him some maturity.

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A real :doh: article (including comments from Jackie Stewart) in today's i.

Stewart claims "Great drivers don't crash as often [as Hamilton]", name checking himself, Fangio, Lauda and Clark, evidently forgetting there was a reason they didn't have as many accidents, it would normally lead in death, whilst James Lawton has pretty much suggested Anthony Hamilton should bend Lewis over his knee and teach him some maturity.

Hmmm. Reminds me of a certain interview in the Senna documentary. :coffee:

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Hmmm. Reminds me of a certain interview in the Senna documentary. :coffee:

Aye I did think of that too, I do really like Stewart but he does seem to struggle to grasp that his era of F1 is very different to the one he's helped create. Drivers can push so much harder now, which will lead to accidents, and he doesn't seem to get that.

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I suspect that's what Lewis is missing, a father figure to help calm him down. Maybe Ron should be his manager. :ph34r:

Which is sort of what is father says, well more that his management really aren't doing enough, which EJ also pointed out on the weekend. I did think when he went with them do they really know how to manage an F1 driver and it's seeming more likely that they don't.

So can we actually criticize the things Stewart says in this thread now, thought for a few years now he can come out with some very silly things. Obviously he's still a legend for everything he did especially with regards safety, but you do sometimes wish he wasn't so eager to give comments, similar thing with Lauda.

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As you say, he's obviously a legend, but he's commenting on a sport thats now very very different to the one he took part in but is still using his own experience within his comments. He's done a lot for the sport, and one could argue he's part of the reason its the way it is now but I think he struggles to understand that drivers are able to push harder, have more accidents and still be competetive, whereas in his day an accident usually led to the driver being in hospital or dying.

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Seeing those stats, it's crazy how reliable Vettel's car has been this year, I think he's just had so much of an advantage over the other drivers(due to both the car and his ability) that he's just not had to push it a great deal so has been very kind on it. He's not had any crazy winning margins like Schumacher used to do where he's lapping the car in 3rd or something, he just sits about 8 seconds ahead, close enough to give his opponents hope, but far enough to get back up to speed should the others catch him up.

You have to respect that kind of driving.

Also, credit to Christian Horner, last year they were equally as fast but just kept fucking it all up, either crashing into others, each other, or the car failing in some way, you just waited to see how they'd screw it up, but this year that's all been fixed, an impressive turnaround to accept the faults and correct them.

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They also lived their lives like each one was their last. They had huge amounts of pure skill, but they were never subjected to the loads the current generation are. Even this weekend most of them climbed out of the cars with little more than a heavy sweat. Stewart and co would have been pulled from the car before having a smoke, a crafty beer and then humping one of the pit girls.

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SharkyOB

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They also lived their lives like each one was their last. They had huge amounts of pure skill, but they were never subjected to the loads the current generation are. Even this weekend most of them climbed out of the cars with little more than a heavy sweat. Stewart and co would have been pulled from the car before having a smoke, a crafty beer and then humping one of the pit girls.

That sounds like a good thing to me.

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marsh

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Seeing those stats, it's crazy how reliable Vettel's car has been this year, I think he's just had so much of an advantage over the other drivers(due to both the car and his ability) that he's just not had to push it a great deal so has been very kind on it. He's not had any crazy winning margins like Schumacher used to do where he's lapping the car in 3rd or something, he just sits about 8 seconds ahead, close enough to give his opponents hope, but far enough to get back up to speed should the others catch him up.

You have to respect that kind of driving.

Also, credit to Christian Horner, last year they were equally as fast but just kept fucking it all up, either crashing into others, each other, or the car failing in some way, you just waited to see how they'd screw it up, but this year that's all been fixed, an impressive turnaround to accept the faults and correct them.

It's so very much a year to compare to the williams of 91 and 92. 93 also proved to be a bit crushing before it went very pear shaped in 94.....

Without any massive rules changes on the cards next year could be very similar to this year.

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That sounds like a good thing to me.

Oh indeed, but it's all so sterile now. An era as such that will never be repeated, and that's across all forms of motorsport.

Which made me think, the cobblers car didn't slow down that much before spanking the wall at the weekend? Assuming he still had some brakes at the rear of the car?

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Oh indeed, but it's all so sterile now. An era as such that will never be repeated, and that's across all forms of motorsport.

Should have been clearer; I meant the very last bit of your post about smoking, drinking and shagging! Modern F1 is great but I'd love to have been able to follow it in the 60s and 70s.

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Bruciebabie

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Since 1965 Jackie has attended most f1 grand prix. In that time there can be very few people who have attended more. During that time he has known all the drivers and all the team principals personally. He still travels over 300,000 miles a year.

As an F1 racer he achieved 43 podiums from 99 starts (in an era when the cars were very unreliable)and won the WDC three times, coming second twice.

He also set up and ran his own F1 team, Stewart Grand Prix (which became Red Bull Racing), in 1997, so has an intimate understanding of modern era cars.

I would suggest that there is more F1 knowledge in his nail clippings than there is in the whole of this forum.

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