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Silent Runner

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From Wikipedia:

Fascinating stuff, thanks for that.

I loved that bit. He goes into the whole project way back when determined to turn Tony. Only in that little scene it was Tony that had turned him, so to speak.

I think they've both been compromised by each other; Tony passing info about the 2 arab guys in the Bing and Harris abetting the Phil hit.

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I felt cheated by it personally. It felt like they couldn't decide how to end it properly and so they didn't bother thinking it would be clever.

Although I understand where you're coming from there, I can't agree with what you're saying. Everybody knows that the lifestyle Tony lives only allows for two endings; assassination or incarceration.

We know Carlo flipped and T would soon be indicted. Whatever happened in that last scene, it is finally clear that Tony isn't going to find a magical way out of it all. I think I speak for the majority of us when I say that we as viewers, have spent the last seven years almost blindly hoping that Tony would somehow prove to be the exception to the rule. The last 8 episodes ultimately took this option away and showed T for what he really is; a villain. A likeable villain but one nonetheless. The episode with Chrissy dashed my last hopes for a happy ending. Which is stupid because deep down I always knew that despite my fondness for the characters, they were the bad guys. It had to go wrong for T at some point, whether or not he survived that night in the diner (and I believe he did) his story was coming to its end. He would soon be imprisoned for his crimes and who would want to see that?

This was as close to the perfect ending as I could have hoped for. I was dreading seeing him get murdered and I've been dreading seeing him wind up in prison, for life. It is clear that one of these two options is the ending he faces, I'm just glad I don't have to face it with him. I'm happy that the last thing I saw him do was sit down for dinner with his family, with some cheesey, overly optimistic music playing in the background. Same goes for Paulie, sitting outside Satriale's, sunning himself. :D

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Although I understand where you're coming from there, I can't agree with what you're saying. Everybody knows that the lifestyle Tony lives only allows for two endings; assassination or incarceration.

We know Carlo flipped and T would soon be indicted. Whatever happened in that last scene, it is finally clear that Tony isn't going to find a magical way out of it all. I think I speak for the majority of us when I say that we as viewers, have spent the last seven years almost blindly hoping that Tony would somehow prove to be the exception to the rule. The last 8 episodes ultimately took this option away and showed T for what he really is; a villain. A likeable villain but one nonetheless. The episode with Chrissy dashed my last hopes for a happy ending. Which is stupid because deep down I always knew that despite my fondness for the characters, they were the bad guys. It had to go wrong for T at some point, whether or not he survived that night in the diner (and I believe he did) his story was coming to its end. He would soon be imprisoned for his crimes and who would want to see that?

This was as close to the perfect ending as I could have hoped for. I was dreading seeing him get murdered and I've been dreading seeing him wind up in prison, for life. It is clear that one of these two options is the ending he faces, I'm just glad I don't have to face it with him. I'm happy that the last thing I saw him do was sit down for dinner with his family, with some cheesey, overly optimistic music playing in the background. Same goes for Paulie, sitting outside Satriale's, sunning himself. :D

This. I completely agree with all of this. You summed up my feelings on the show better than I could myself at this late stage of the evening

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Something else that's occurred to me (and apologies if someone's said it since I last posted in the thread) is that the audience being denied closure mirrors the end of Tony's relationship with Dr. Melfi, though that would work a little better if the final Melfi scenes had been in the last episode.

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I'm not going to read anything in this thread, I just need someone to PM me with the number of the episode that takes place after the final episode of S6. I've just finished watching the boxsets for the fourth or fifth time, so I need to see these, and QUICK!

However, some fucker on Digg posted a major spoiler that went to the front page, so I guess the one big surprise is ruined.

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dogsout

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Massive and interesting analysis on the last scene.

http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/1406/1/

Not since the Zapruder footage has so much been written by so many about so few frames.

To be blunt: most of that is a load of shite. He's really clutching at straws at times and some of it is just plain wrong. There are mistakes in his description of the scene from paragraph one onwards. The guy in a members only jacket doesn't repeatedly stare directly at Tony. That was the impression I got the first time I watched it but after watching it again (quite a few times) I've noticed he only looks over at T (directly) once, arguably twice. The second time that he is in focus and is seen to be looking in T's direction is immediately after the young couple laugh (quite loudly). Have a think about that, you're sitting in a diner and you hear a sudden burst of laughter, coming from behind you. You'd probably have a glance over your shoulder to see where it's coming from, right? Either way, he doesn't repeatedly stare directly at Tony. I could pick holes in what this bloke has said all day (fucking Orange cats, an Orange restaurant and food, despite neither the rings or the diner even remotely resembling the colour), but there isn't much point.

The ending is ambiguous and is therefore open to interpretation and debate. I've settled on my interpretation now and I can no longer be arsed to debate it. If Chase went out of his way to make sure the viewers knew Tony was killed, as this bloke suggests, why didn't he save us the headache and spare us the ambiguity? He could have easily included a brief scene with the MO guy checking his weapon in the bathroom or a sit down with the NY guys or whoever was out to get T saying he 'had to go'. The cut to black would still have worked had he included such a scene. We are left wondering what has happened because pretty much anything could have happened as the screen cut to black. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion and interpretation of that scene but anybody that says "I've figured it out, this is how it went down, those of you saying otherwise are wrong" is almost certainly full of shit. There is no clear, obvious answer. The evidence for either scenario can be comfortably explained away as circumstantial. I have posted my beliefs and views on the scene already, and I stand by them. However, anybody of a reasonable mind can see there is no 'right' answer here. If Chase wanted the ending to be clear to the viewers he could have made it so.

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To be blunt: most of that is a load of shite. He's really clutching at straws at times and some of it is just plain wrong. There are mistakes in his description of the scene from paragraph one onwards. The guy in a members only jacket doesn't repeatedly stare direcly at Tony. That was the impression I got the first time I watched it but after watching it again (quite a few times) I've noticed he only looks over at T (directly) once, arguably twice. The second time that he is in focus and is seen to be looking in T's direction is immediately after the young couple laugh (quite loudly). Have a think about that, you're sitting in a diner and you hear a sudden burst of laughter, coming from behind you. You'd probably have a glance over your shoulder to see where it's coming from, right? Either way, he doesn't repeatedly stare directly at Tony. I could pick holes in what this bloke has said all day (fucking Orange cats, an Orange restaurant and food, despite neither the rings or the diner even remotely resembling the colour), but there isn't much point.

The ending is ambiguous and is therefore open to interpretation and debate. I've settled on my interpretation now and I can no longer be arsed to debate it. If Chase went out of his way to make sure the viewers knew Tony was killed, as this bloke suggests, why didn't he save us the headache and spare us the ambiguity? He could have easily included a brief scene with the MO guy checking his weapon in the bathroom or a sit down with the NY guys or whoever was out to get him saying T 'had to go'. The cut to black would still have worked had he included such a scene. We are left wondering what has happened because pretty much anything could have happened as the screen cut to black. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion and interpretation of that scene but anybody that says "I've figured it out, this is how it went down, those of you saying otherwise are wrong" is almost certainly full of shit.

I didn't say I agreed with it, simply that it was "interesting".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/p...m=1&bbram=1

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i loved the ending, i thought it was going to be a lot worse than it was.

beauty of it was that it left so many things unfinished, it was meant that way to create your own ending for a tv programme you care so much for (i certainly do).

now imagine if they continued from where they left off in a full feature movie, i would shit myself with excitement.

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dogsout

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I disagree. The writer admits himself that some points were over-reaching (some blatantly and embarrassingly so), but I think there are plenty of insightful, valid points in that analysis. Mainly to do with lighting, mise-en-scene, self-reflexivity and Godfather references.

Which is why I said most of that is a load of shite. His description of the final scene is pretty flawed and at times it almost feels like he is making things up to suit his argument, to help pad out his analysis.

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The ending was just.... wow. The tension buildup was almost unbearable and then it just, well, ended. Pefect way for it to finish IMO. You know it's never going to end well for Tony, but it left it up to the viewer to think about how it could end. Brilliant.

Oh, did you know that the bloke who plays Sil is in the E-Street Band (Bruce Springstein's backing band)?

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I knew sil was some kind of musician but didn't realise he was in the e street band! I also agree with what seems to be the consensus in that it was all ended very well. It was very ambiguous and considering the show was full of anti-heroes was a great way to end it. I'm guessing it got a backlash in the states due to them being accustomed to most TV and film being nicely wrapped up by the end. Leaving the audience wanting more is certainly better than having them feel they have only watched up to the end to get some closure.

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Simmy

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I'm purposely not reading this thread for fear of spoilers.

Anyway, I'm halfway through series 5 and expect to finish it in the next 2days and i'll finish series 6 by friday probably.

I really, REALLY want to see the last episodes though. When are they available over here? Are they out on DVD?

Another solution could be I download them, but i really don't want to watch it on a shitty format with bad pixelation. Are there decent ones available?

Someone able to point me in the right direction? :)

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