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I think a lot of people are kidding themselves when they say "well I wouldn't have bought it anyway".

Even I say that but I don't mean it. I used to buy music CDs many moons ago but I just download all my music for free now. I also used to buy one or two Xbox games a month but now I just download them all as well. And there's not much software on this PC I bought, either.

Would I have bought all this if I couldn't pirate it? No, but I'd definitely have bought some of it.

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I wonder how many of those people downloaded it because the copy protection on the disk wouldn't let them install the game.

Happens quite a lot these days apparently.

I bought a couple of budget games to play on my lappy when I was away from home for a while, neither of them would install. I probably should have (at least) tried to take them back, but I just couldn't be arsed. I foolishly decided to buy the PC version of Fahrenheit a few weeks later, only to find that it crashes after about an hour of play on my computer.

I think I'm about done with PC gaming to be honest.

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I can remember when Doom 3 came along it was easily the hottest torrent with tens of thousands, if not more, people trying to get hold of it. It would be interesting to see the impact htat may have had on Doom 3 sales.

But as has been said before, I tend to have a go at PC games, get excited for a few weeks then my interest tends to trail off, usually not far into the game. There have been times where I've enjoyed a game so much I've bought a real copy, although I will try to find it second-hand or as cheap as possible before I pay out the full whack.

I have known people in the past who simply downloaded games in order to use it either as some bargaining tool for swaps, or just to be able to say they had th elatest, even though they had no intenion of playing it. They simply do it because they can.

To be honest I'm not a huge fan of online gaming, for various reasons, but if I wanted to go online and play Quake 4 I'd certainly buy the game.

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I feel no guilt when illegally downloading games (that's right, I said it properly) because if I ended up enjoying the game, I have always gone out and bought it.

Far Cry. Dowloaded it. Loved it. Bought it.

Same goes for Mafia, Morrowind (and expansions), Max Payne (which led me to buy Max Payne 2 without thinking). Splinter Cell Chaos Theory. Jedi Academy...

Neverwinter Nights. Downloaded it. Hated it. deleted it.

I will defend videogame piracy to the end for it's uses in try-before-you-buy gaming. However, I beleive that those who download just so they don't have to pay, are just theives. If you like a game, think of it as showing your appreciation by buying the game and thus positively reinforcing well-made games.

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Quake 4 has this thing where it checks for CD keys online every time you start the game. Of course, it's not beyond that many people to disconnect their internet before playing.

Or just edit their Windows/system32/etc/hosts file and add a line simular to this

127.0.0.1 keycheck.id-software.com

I don't remember the exact name of id's page.

When games become impulse price, I can afford to buy them.

For now, I pirate, because I cannot afford to buy games.

Yes. that is the case actually. It would ruin my student budget to buy more than one game per month. This month I bought nintendogs. so, I cannot buy any other game.

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I will defend videogame piracy to the end for it's uses in try-before-you-buy gaming. However, I beleive that those who download just so they don't have to pay, are just theives. If you like a game, think of it as showing your appreciation by buying the game and thus positively reinforcing well-made games.

Sure, if you can afford to pay for each game you want (especially this is almost never the case for anyone in high gaming seasons such as end of the year), then you can buy them. For me, I cannot afford it, but I have a chance to play it for free. What do I choose?

I would buy it if it were cheaper and it wouldn't ruin my budget.

And I'd buy it with more ease if I knew that most of it went to developer and not the publisher.

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But a couple of things - how was the million calculated? Is it just the number of torrent tracker files that have been downloaded as opposed to the number of actual game downloads.

Second, of all the people who've downloaded it, how many were actually planning on buying the game anyway? I remember Ste Pickford made a great point in a piracy thread ages ago - it's not lost sales if the person was never intending to buy the game anyway.

Third, that's a lot of people going "Quake 4 seems a bit meh"

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The problem is both that the anti-piracy techniques publishers use are ineffective and a culture which now exists where people feel it's their right to own//have access to, something they haven't paid for.

That is the real crux of the problem (IMO).

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We've done the moral thing a thousand times here so let's not do that again.

But there are a few people in the industry here. What do you guys think about this issue?

Do you think this actually affects your salary / livelihood? Do you do illegally download stuff yourself? And what is the solution if one is needed?

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1 Million is insane. The funny thing is, I bought the game, and a few days ago when I was playing on a server I got kicked and it said my cd key is in use. So I couldn't play online. Then I tried to play single player and I got the same bloody error message. I had to wait about 10 minutes before I could play again.

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Even I say that but I don't mean it. I used to buy music CDs many moons ago but I just download all my music for free now.

Would I have bought all this if I couldn't pirate it? No, but I'd definitely have bought some of it.

Don't you even feel a teeny bit bad or ashamed about that? I download a lot of music too, but if the album is any good I always go out and buy it, even if the download is FLAC-quality. One of the main reasons I never ended up starting a little record label was because of the attitude of entitlement-for-free referred to elsewhere in the thread.

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I personally don't play PC games anymore bar a demo here and there.

if I did want a particular game though, I would just download it.

bothering to go to a shop, handing over hard-earned (non-refundable) cash for a game which may or may not FUNCTION, let alone be any good, is not a sensible option for any but the most dedicated.

Outrageous. :P

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I wonder how many of those people downloaded it because the copy protection on the disk wouldn't let them install the game.

Happens quite a lot these days apparently.

SI won't get another penny from me. Ever.

Bought FM2005 on release way back and it wouldn't let me run it as I had CD/DVD burning software on my PC.

Zing, game taken back to shop and downloaded FM titles from now on.

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We've done the moral thing a thousand times here so let's not do that again. 

But there are a few people in the industry here.  What do you guys think about this issue? 

Do you think this actually affects your salary / livelihood?  Do you do illegally download stuff yourself?  And what is the solution if one is needed?

That’s some of the questions I also think is the interesting ones. Most of us have certainly copied a cassette, floppy or a CD but now when piracy is becoming mainstream what impact it will have on the way we consume music/games/films/TV and the distribution of said media.

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Sure, if you can afford to pay for each game you want (especially this is almost never the case for anyone in high gaming seasons such as end of the year), then you can buy them. For me, I cannot afford it, but I have a chance to play it for free. What do I choose?

I would buy it if it were cheaper and it wouldn't ruin my budget.

And I'd buy it with more ease if I knew that most of it went to developer and not the publisher.

I never said I bought the games right away, or that I bought them at full price. I bought mafia years after I downloaded it when I found it on offer.

What do you choose? You choose to download the games now, but make a promise to yourself that when you finish your degree and get a decent job, you'll do the right thing.

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SI won't get another penny from me.  Ever. 

Bought FM2005 on release way back and it wouldn't let me run it as I had CD/DVD burning software on my PC.

Zing, game taken back to shop and downloaded FM titles from now on.

I think you have the nail on the head there Honey. Look at the amount of PC titles these days that wont work if you have a DVD burner installed on your own PC? Even though there is nothing wrong with having it in the first place! This really pisses me off big time. Hence the huge people downloading games these days?

Its almost like 'them' vs 'us' situation...

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bothering to go to a shop, handing over hard-earned (non-refundable) cash for a game which may or may not FUNCTION, let alone be any good, is not a sensible option for any but the most dedicated.

So, presumably you don't consider all of the hard work and effort required to create the game in the first place to be worthy of payment ? What a pathetic attitude. How would you like it if your boss announced at the end of a working week that you weren't getting paid because he couldn't be arsed to sort out your wages ?

Unbelievable :P

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So, presumably you don't consider all of the hard work and effort required to create the game in the first place to be worthy of payment ? What a pathetic attitude. How would you like it if your boss announced at the end of a working week that you weren't getting paid because he couldn't be arsed to sort out your wages ?

Unbelievable  :P

With PC games its a little different these days. Game wont give you a refund, hardly anywhere will these days. So its hard for people to know if the game is going to play good on their PC's. Each PC is different, unlike the consoles.

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1 million downloads of a full DVD torrent is remarkable. Perhaps the open nature of the PC platform means that it is its destiny to perish as a highly profitable mass-market gaming platform, due to increasingly efficient and accessible content piracy. There will always be room for indie game developers though. That's the real strength of PC gaming, imo.

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1 million downloads of a full DVD torrent is remarkable.  Perhaps the open nature of the PC platform means that it is its destiny to perish as a highly profitable mass-market gaming platform, due to increasingly efficient and accessible content piracy.  There will always be room for indie game developers though.  That's the real strength of PC gaming, imo.

Looks like it heading that way dosen't it? Its only a matter of time before developers feel its no longer profitable to make PC titles...

Even if this does happen, its not going to stop the downloading of videogames.

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What can the media companies do to stop piracy then? Scaring people from piracy and copy protection don’t seem to have any impact.

Nope, as we can see from your thread. :P

The prices need to come down, simple as that. Plus PC users need to feel wanted, liked if you will. By not letting honest folks bring games back that their PC dosen't like for starters. Oh and then make games that work FIRST time without needed 500000 patches to be playable. Boiling Point is a prime example!

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So, presumably you don't consider all of the hard work and effort required to create the game in the first place to be worthy of payment ? What a pathetic attitude. How would you like it if your boss announced at the end of a working week that you weren't getting paid because he couldn't be arsed to sort out your wages ?

Unbelievable  :P

It's be more like making your boss pay you in advance, after you've told him (oooh, sexist) that you may or may not do any work for him this month.

To me, PC games are worth neither the risk or hassle of troubleshooting a game and not being able to take it back if you can't fix it. The whole DVD burning fiasco is madness.

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I did a check on some well-known torrent metasites today and bizarrely the number of Quake 4 trackers has dropped off, although the ones that are still available are have over a thousand peers.

Here's a comment fro one page:

"...the top seeder has uploaded 16,777,216.00 TB with an upload speed of 156.40 TB/s is that even possible??? or is he like hacking or wat? looks rather sus..."

hmmmm, judging by the sheer number of comments, that figure proabbly isn't far off the mark, at least I wouldn't be surprised if it was accurate.

Oh and of the 800+ comments most of them were of the "HELP!!!1!1 QUAKE4 NOT INSTALL!!!1!!!!" variety.

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I'm with Devilfish on this one- when you're looking at buying a game which may well not even work, let alone work well enough to be considered playable, let alone entertain you, let alone be worth the ludicrous asking price, it's unsuprising that many will start off illegalling downloading a copy of the software, if only to see if it'll work.

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We've done the moral thing a thousand times here so let's not do that again. 

But there are a few people in the industry here.  What do you guys think about this issue? 

Do you think this actually affects your salary / livelihood?  Do you do illegally download stuff yourself?  And what is the solution if one is needed?

I work in the industry and I'm certainly not happy about it. It costs buckets of money to create a game and many peope pour their blood, sweat and tears into it. It's a very sour grape if you finaly finished a game just to witness thousands of people pulling the game of the web without having the decency to pay for a product. They basically punch you in the gut and say 'Ha, ha...I'm not gonna pay, because I don't have to'. Yes, it makes me sad.

It doesn't affect my salary (yet) as we mostly work on console games but I'm not happy with the way things are going.

Yes, I've downloaded the odd porn clip or single but I don't yarr full albums, movies or games.

Also, I think these products are more enjoyable if you paid for them with your hard-earned cash.

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