Mallet

It's very easy to see how gamers have ended up in the situation we are in. Broken game releases, getting kids hooked on gambling, having to pay £100 plus to get the complete game when you add up all the DLC and other things that are a detriment to the consumer. For the majority of customers the Epic store is an inferior experience in just about every aspect compared to Steam, the publishers are knowingly giving their customers a poorer experience to make more money for themselves. In just about every other industry I can think off people would be united in saying fuck no, why should I suffer an inferior service so you can make more money? That is the bottom line here, the consumer is expected to put up with an inferior service and features so the publisher can make more profit. You can phrase it anyway you want but that is the bottom line. Instead of being united we have people saying shut the fuck up and stop complaining and because you are complaining you shouldn't be able to play it all. I mean seriously WTF! Yes PC gamers, shut the fuck up and eat your shit sandwich so a multi national corporation can have bigger profits, don't complain just accept that a shit service is the new norm. Steam customers are cutting their nose off to spite their faces? Hell no, it is the people saying you should lower your expectations on what the service and features will be so corporations can make more money at your expense who are cutting off their nose to spite their face in the long run. They are telling corporations they can screw you over any way they want and they just wont accept it they will actually argue in favour of you fucking them over. I repeat the only reason corporations are going to Epic is so they make more more money, there is no win in this for the consumer beyond some vague mumbled 'with the extra money we can make better games' bullshit. Talk about drinking the Kool-aid, it isn't Steam customers who are being fan boys here.

I can't believe this is actually happening, what next Half Life 3?

Steam is awesome, I shudder to think what the PC gaming market would look like without Steam and all that Valve have done over the years, would the market be any where near as big as it is?

I have absolutely no problems with developers going with what is the best deal for them because I will go with the best deal for me. After all I have bills to pay as well.

Why are you so keen for us, the purchasers of the games you make, to get the worst possible deal? Developers are looking out for themselves and consumers should do the same.

So Valve is a shady company who don't care about anything but money so are bad. Epic who has Fortnite developers working 100 hour weeks in toxic environments to keep the cash flowing and who can't get refunds sorted after 30 days are great?

I've been watching some of the classic streams and the hypocrisy of PvPers is hilarious. They will happily gank grey level players who have no chance but if they get ganked then the it's lame and people should respect the 1 vs 1

August 27th boys!

Rosen was never even given a chance there was he?

I have actually started levelling a warrior these past few days, I love tanking on him. He is level 27 now and basically spent 20-27 in dungeons, I made friends with a Priest and we just group up and find 3 DPS to do just about any dungeon we want at any time. Warriors are vulnerable levelling though I have found, I find it better to stick to mob 2 levels lower and just hamstring kite other wise you need to rest too often.

I played on a RP server for most of the time from launch until the release of WoTLK. The in character role playing is reserved for in guild events and between friends. In groups it isn't much different to a normal server, people are there to complete the dungeon not role play. The upside for a player like me, I don't role play but I do like to immerse myself in the world and lore and not seeing stupid names everywhere helps that, you also don't tend to see so much toxic chat in the world channels. Over all they just feel more mature to me as I think it may be an older demographic that rolls on them.

I heard no RP-PVP as well but to be fair the team in charge of Classic have been very good at responding to requests from the community. Would it be such a huge thing to switch a PvP server to RP-PvP?

I will roll on an RP server too I think, if just so you don't see so, so many idiotic names.

Yeah, it will definitely be a PvE server for me. I simply lose interest in characters once they get to contested areas, especially places like Redridge where you get all the Horde twinks going for some 'balanced PvP' Twinks even ruin low level battlegrounds imo. I don't get angry or anything I simply can't be bothered. I have limited time to play the game and I'll be doing what I enjoy, questing, dungeons, exploring and professions.

Let me ask people this. Why should I worry about how a business, whether that is a corporation or an indie developer, negotiates deals with their partners? It is not my responsibility to ensure they get a good deal, it is not my responsibility to worry about the viability of their business model. Just as it isn't their responsibility to worry about how I am going to pay for their game. The developers/publishers taking Epics exclusivity money have no concern or worry about the how a lot of their customers feel they are getting an inferior service so they can make more money. They are looking out for number one and so am I. I'll say again I will go to the store that offers me the best deal, if the Epic store had cheaper games to reflect the lower charge then I would buy from them in a heart beat but they don't so it then comes down to what else they offer which is nothing so I'll stick with Steam. I can't see how that isn't a perfectly reasonable position to take. The developers and publishers who give the Epic store exclusivity went with the best deal for them, why am I as a consumer not supposed to do the same? If it's sensible for them to go for the best deal why isn't it for me? If I had my way every game would be DRM free on gog.com, that's where I buy a game if it is available over Steam. So no I'm not some rabid Steam fanboy, I'm a fan of what is good for me. I have never argued that game makers have an obligation to put their games on Steam, they are free to sell them on whatever store they want and to also deny them from any store they don't want to sell to. By the same reasoning the buyer is just as free to choose what store they want to buy from and what store they don't want to buy from. In just about every other purchase people make they will shop around for what they consider to be the best deal for them, why it should be any different for games I have no idea. I see all the time in new game threads people asking where the cheapest place to get the game is, do you think they are worried about how the revenue split works? No, they want the best deal for themselves and so do I.