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    The Spurs Thread

    Well, I'm in shock..... We've gone from being better in some games games and losing to being inferiour and winning, I'll take that...
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    The Spurs Thread

    No, Ramos is on record as saying that the club will sell if they get an offer thats a massive profit, this has been the clubs way of operating over the last 4 years since Frank A was appointed, buy youngish players that we at worst get our money back on or appreciate in value and can be flogged on. As for discussing money, hey ain't my club trying to do a part ex-deal involving mediocre goalkeepers for an ok English midfielder as thanks to Juve not completing a deal there's no cash in the kitty. Theres actualy another reason why you'd sell both Berbatov and RK, asside from being both being 27-28 and liable to depreciate, that is that they can buy their own contracts out in the near future and piss off abroad, the "top clubs" have "agreed" to not work with this rule but then I see that agreement going out the window the first time a top talent becomes available. RK either been tapped up and your boy has been found out, or your boss has decided he wants to unsettle the 2 teams the bookies fancy may have a remote chance of taking 4th. either way it says a lot about what he feels his chances are of winning the PL, his focus is clearly on consolidating 4th. Berbatov is expected to go but the players we'd be flogging would cover all the close season expenditure and Berbatov would cover almost all of the deals struck in the winter as well and we flogged Defoe in the winter as well. I really doubt that Keene would have been expected to be flogged at any time and I still expect 3-4 players in once this lot have gone out.
  3. It's not Just based on the sun story, United's own Norwegan site ran the same story and Sky Sports have mentioned that he spoke to them off camera about the same thing. Babelfish Translation : It was a very obvious and positive Sir Alex that united.no met just before departure to South Africa. United boss believes Berbatov purchases. United manager do not hide the fact that he would welcome the opportunity to want to have a new tip in place at Old Trafford before transfervinduet closes 31. august, and it's Tottenham Dimitar Berbatov that Ferguson first and foremost have thrown their eyes on. Tottenham thanks to turn down United's first bid of 20 million pounds, but Sir Alex has still believe that the Bulgarian landslagsspissen are team mates with Rooney, Tevez & Co.. Ferguson bet the mark in Berbatov already in 2001/2002, when he was with Bayer Leverkusen to beat out United in the final of the Champions League. Now, like Berbatov games in the Champions League again, and has given Tottenham clearly informed about it. -- We may have made a bid for Berbatov, and we have good hopes to buy him. He has impressed for a long time, and are subject to a fine growth, "says Sir Alex exclusively to united.no. Ferguson believes the time is working for - rather than the contrary - United in this matter. He would like to have with Berbatov to South Africa, but is prepared to have is in the stomach. -- We stress not, and hope to get started constructive talks with Tottenham about not so long. Additonaly Berbatovs agent said united had been in touch with him. This all comes on top of the stories tapping up of Carrick (The Neveller allegedly turning up at the England WC camp with a united shirt with Carricks name on) and that as soon as Hargreaves was signed he started using his column to go on about how great it'd be if Berbatov signed for united. Botton line - difficult to make out whats speculation, whats interviews, who said what to whom, and whats hypocracy or showboating to invite a team from the mainland in to avoid selling to another English team but unless someones tabled an offer to the club, through the proper channels as opposed to sounding out an agent etc. it's a tap up, like 90 odd % of transfers I suspect.
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    I had drum lessions with the same bloke who was teaching Tony Platts Son to drum when he was recording this album, I had the lession after his son and met him a few times, he was a really nice bloke who suffered the anoying questions from a 20/21 year old he must have heard loads of times before with good humour and patience (who was bloody good for 8 or 9), I'm not sure he was overly enthused with the material they had to go with, but he liked what they came up with, maybe it was one fo those albums that sounds great at the time but later, once you hear other records sounds really bad. They played milton keynes a few years ago, someone asked Paul bostaph about his ex-girlfriend and he didn't talk to anyone the rest of the night, nice bloke while deigned us with his presence but I wish someone had kept their gob shut....
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    The Spurs Thread

    Old Modric looks class... Looking forward to next season, but we do need a centre back as there's no way king will ever play more than 10-15 matches a season
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    The Spurs Thread

    Very happy. Very proud of the team and the fans who pretty much drowned out Chelseas for the whole of the game. Hope we can win the Uefa cup now - if Liverpools win in 2001 was the pikey treble then I assume this is the chav double we are on for ;-) PSV will be a heck of a battle and then theres the little matter of trying to crack the top half of the table..
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    The Spurs Thread

    Well here we are - you can get 28-1 on Spurs being ahead at half time and Chelsea winning after 90 minutes, thats good value, as is the 40-1 on it being spurs - spurs over the match. I have no idea if we'll win or not, I hope we will and I suspect we'll give a very good account of ourselves (which is why sky likes us, go life and death with the CL club and then lose graceously) but over the years we've been unlucky even going back to the period post double. We've also got to realise that the nice win earlier in the season counts for zilch if we don't build on it and by that I mean winning something, finishing what we started. Below is something from the Scotsman paper about a much missed player, who knows what Spurs would have done and won had John White not been lost and Mackay not been out of things for 2 years with those broken legs. Cheers Spur's 'Ghost' struck down in his prime By Tom English As Tottenham prepare for today's Carling Cup final, Tom English remembers the tragic Scot who brought past glory to White Hart Lane. IN THE second week of July, 1964, John White paid a visit to his great friend and team-mate, Dave Mackay, and his wife, Isobel, a woman who shared with White not just a link with Spurs but also with a particular corner of Scotland; both were born and bred in Musselburgh. White had just turned 27 years old and was full of the joys of summer. Six months before, his second child had been born, a boy called Robert joining his little girl, Mandy; six weeks before, Bill Nicholson had taken him aside "Boss, what's this for?" he asked. "John," replied Nicholson, "since I'm going to build my new team around you, I'd better give you a few quid more." Free money from Bill Nick? Must have been some player, this John White. Dave and Isobel Mackay remember the night White came calling, they remember the excitement on his face, the pure happiness in his life. He was a League and Cup double winner in 1961 (you had to go back to 1897 to find the last time that had been achieved), had won the Cup-Winners' Cup in 1963 (Spurs were the first British side to win a European trophy) and had played for Scotland 22 times where his triangle with Denis Law and Jim Baxter promised much in the years ahead. He had the backing of his manager and the love of the supporters. The world was at his feet. Isobel Mackay remembers another day, too, and for altogether darker reasons. "I was staying with my mother for a week up in Musselburgh," she says. "John's family lived close by. It was July 21, 1964. A Tuesday. Somebody came to the door of the house. A reporter. He asked me how well did I know John White. I said 'what do you mean how well did I know him?' He wouldn't explain. He wanted to know where John's mother lived. I thought it all very strange. I phoned Dave immediately." Dave wasn't available. As soon as he heard that his friend was dead he jumped in his car and drove to the scene of the tragedy. Earlier that afternoon – at about 4pm reckoned the pathologist Dr Rushton – a single bolt of lightning flashed down from the sky above Middlesex, hit White and killed him instantly. He was on the golf course at the time, sheltering from a storm under an old oak tree at the Crews Hill club in Enfield. A greenkeeper called John Watts found him lying in the ditch that divided the first and ninth fairways, with scorch marks on his hair, back and on the heels of his feet. His body had been taken away to the Prince of Wales hospital in Tottenham by the time Mackay sped his car through the gates of the golf club. "I got there as fast as I could. I don't know, I think I just wanted to see him before they took him away. Just to be with him before he went off to the mortuary. I sat down by the tree and I was very upset. I looked at it and there were these two burns in a kind of a circle on the bark, about two foot off the ground. It was just unbelievable. It was very, very sad." Spurs don't give up their heroes easily, especially the members of the most adored team in their history – the storied double winners of 1961 – and particularly the ones who proved most instrumental in the glory, as White did. He never missed a game all season. This is the 125th anniversary of the club and nostalgia is never far from the door of White Hart Lane these days. There are DVDs and books in production – the Tottenham Opus, a lavish, heavyweight tome is a sight to behold – and, happily, a cup final to savour. Today, Spurs face Chelsea in the Carling Cup final at Wembley, a stage White graced so many times with Spurs and Scotland. Mackay asked the other day why we were writing about White now but then quickly answered his own question. "Ah, son, you don't need a reason." How good was he, we asked Jimmy Greaves. "Had John lived," said Greaves, "he could have been one of the greatest footballers of all time." How did the fans take to him? "I've been going to the Lane since 1952," says Peter Barnes, a diehard Spur. "Before me, my dad went from 1926. We cover a lot of history between us and John White was at the top table of greats of this club." But people forget that. Forty-four years since his death, only people of a certain vintage remember him now. To vast numbers of Scottish football fans it is as if he never existed, this man they called The Ghost of White Hart Lane. To men such as Law and Mackay and their contemporaries, though, White was one of the most extraordinary players Scotland has ever produced. His story began at Prestonpans YMCA and then Bonnyrigg Rose; Alloa and then Falkirk. But, really, his legend started on an October day in 1959 when Northern Ireland played Scotland in Belfast. White was an international player by then, scoring in the first minute of his debut against West Germany earlier in the year, a debut he shared with Ian St John. Against the Irish, Scotland won 4-1. "On Monday morning, when I returned to White Hart Lane, Bill (Nicholson] was waiting for me," Danny Blanchflower once recalled. Blanchflower was both the leading man for his club and his country at the time and Nicholson hung his hat on the judgment of his skipper. "What about John White?" Bill asked Danny. "First class," he replied. "Good positional sense and smooth ball control." "I can get him for £20,000," said Nicholson. "Don't miss the plane," Blanchflower answered. Nicholson signed White within a day, ignoring all the negative things that people told him about his supposed lack of stamina and his apparent physical frailties, things that had put off Sheffield United and Middlesbrough and Rangers before Nicholson ever showed an interest. Joe Mercer was manager of Sheffield United at the time. "John had it all, so I thought I'd go for him. My chief scout was adamant the lad wasn't strong enough. Like a fool, I listened." Wanting to back his own judgment but in need of reinforcements, Nicholson called White's army commanding officer from National Service. "Lacks stamina?" said the officer, incredulously. "The boy's just won the army cross-country. There's nothing wrong with the lad's stamina, Mr Nicholson." White wasn't an instant success at The Lane. Spurs fans were still in thrall to Tommy Harmer in 1959; a trick artist and exhibitionist. White never went in for showboating. He was the type of player that grew on you. "We took a look at him when he arrived in 1959 and wondered what we'd got," says Barnes. "He was so small and skinny that we feared for him a little. We needn't have bothered. He had the great Mackay looking after him. Dave was the protector and John was the playmaker. Oh, he was a graceful player. A will o' the wisp type. We called him The Ghost because he'd appear out of nowhere and split a defence open with one precise pass. His distribution was unbelievable. It was his job to play passes into big Bobby Smith and Cliff Jones and he was masterful at it, absolutely masterful." According to the Guardian of the day, White survived on wit, skill, balance and inventive touch. "He lives above the hurly-burly," they wrote. The Evening Times spoke of his ability to make his own areas of calm in the most turbulent of matches. "His very unobtrusiveness is one of his strong points. Like some Merlin he can fade from the scene only to reappear in positions that confound defences." His importance to Spurs was evident not just in the goals he scored and created but in Tottenham's fate in the rare occasions when White was absent. He missed just 15 games for his club between 1959 and 1964 and Spurs won only one of them. Two days after White died the Spurs squad came together as one and Nicholson addressed them on the pitch. In all their years with him, nobody had ever seen Nichol son display his emotions in public, but this was a day like no other. "We all gathered at White Hart Lane before going on to the crematorium," recalls Pat Jennings. "Bill started to talk to us about John. He had been speaking for only a couple of minutes when he was so overcome that he excused himself and disappeared into a washroom to hide his tears." "You know," says Mackay, "my memory is fading. I can't recall the specifics of games anymore. They're pretty much gone now, most of them. But I remember where I was when I heard John was dead – I was in a restaurant in London and a man called Tommy Burton told me the news – and I remember Bill breaking down. Every anniversary that comes around, we remember him. Spurs have this big Opus coming out and he's remembered well in that, too. That's nice. It's as it should be because he was a great player. More than that, he was my friend."
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    The Boxing Thread

    Khan will be fed the diet of boxers that have good records at a weight or two below the one of his fighter won't he - thats the way it is so far with most of Warrens fighters and the way it'll go. Warren for me was summed up when he got his hands on a world heavyweight champion in Hide (and Bruno to a lesser extent in getting out negociated there). Hides first 2 opponents as WBO "champion" were blown up Cruserweights with mediocre records in that division, then Hide was forced to fight Klitcho, he was the mandatory challenger. Warren went to court to try to stop it, scrapped harder than Hide did in the actual fight. Warren does whats right for his and his fighters pockets BUT you get blokes like Hatton that want the same adulation as the likes of Benn, they know they'll earn the money but they want the respect and legacy which you cannot buy. I think the boxing public as a whole sees through things like this a lot easier than they did pre Harrison, they are a lot more cynical. If he doesn't fight Thaxton then he's not even the best in the country let alone anywhere else and it'll be just a title, a vehicle to earn money and you'll know what Warren has in store for Khan and that Khans decided to settle for it (baring a JC style visit to Vegas and a realisation that fighting at home means the americans will never ever reckon him).
  9. What would you have suggested then in that direction - as a great influential album? It is a British top 50 and I'm racking my brains for a truely great album thats stood the test of time in those genres, maybe through ignorance, maybe because we've not lead as opposed to follow there. Do Soul II Soul still stand up? I don't know, maybe thats the issue rather than anything else, a lack of knowledge rather than something willful? Lets be honest, the lack of loud rock and metal albums from there is more conspicuous especially given it's undoubted influence and the sales figures, you hear more British rock music anywhere else in the world than in Britain and it's far more highly regarded, it's like we are ashamed of some truely great bands and their influences. A mate of mine here just asked where "The queen is dead" is in this list and thats another one that's held as a great isn't it.
  10. See, I really like "Jazz" as well, am I just being awkward? I also think Live Killers is a really good live album and I recall as a kid being told and reading repeatedly it was no good... Live Magic..now that did stink, horrid. What always kills night for me is that bloody long track at the start of side 2, 39 and love with my car cannot undo that wrong...
  11. For me A night isn't even the greatest Queen album - thats The Game AFAIC, additionaly there's just so many acts or genres not represented - No Def Lep Hysteria (cronically uncool but a great album and did about 18 million copies) No Dare by the Human League, no Kate Bush, No Sabbath hell no Blizzard of Oz by Ozzy, No Back in Black despite ACDC having 2 Englishmen and 2 Scottish born members at this point, nothing by Cream, nothing by Deep Purple, no Clash just loads of studenty stuff..........
  12. Queen, Milton Keynes Bowl 1982 though as we used to live 5 minutes walk from it we'd stood outside for The Police and Thin Lizzy in previous years.... You could stand in our old garden and listen to whoever was playing, great backdrop for friends coming round for a barbeque... The next one I did was 4 long years later, Queen at Knebworth.
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    Personally. for myself Utd have as much of a passing game as anyone and play at the same speed as anyone. Wenger should have turned up, took one look at what he was going to be playing on and had something in mind on how to approach the match. It's the north of England in the middle of winter and you are not going to get a bowling green to play on. If he was suprised he's probably the sort of bloke who goes to Scotland and is suprised it rains, the kind of man who needs rescuing off Ben Nevis is shorts and sandals in november ;-) Whatever he felt about the numbers of his squad and who's available and his priorities, he owed it to those who traveled 4 hours up the m6 and then 4 hours back to arrive home at maybe midnight if lucky to have some form of plan and to put up some form of fight and not just a throwing of the toys out of the pram in a display of petulance. Fine, I'll name a load of top class sportsmen and women that are all as succesful, are still playing and don't act half as petulant and childish. Woods, Federa and just about any world class boxer you could name with maybe 2-3 exceptions who disrespect their opponent but DO respect the fans who pay their money (Mayweather). The issue to my mind is football as a sport, the players on the pitch and the crowd off it. No one behaves with much class nowadays, you get the game you deserve and thats what we've got. I don't think I'm out of date but if having the values those managers espoused makes me out of date then I'm proud to be yesterdays man, worlds not changed that much, just football and what we demand of it.
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    The Boxing Thread

    He needs to fight Thaxton and clean up at domestic level before anything else, Warrens "safety first" way of operating will sooner or later bore Khan and the paying public. Look at Hatton, ok he lost but he's had several big fights in Vegas and made his mark, Calzaghe was clearly massively impressed that Hatton was better known, the bigger name and better thought of because he was willing to fight in the US also the sheer glamour of it seemed to grab JC that Vegas was the real fight capitol of the world not some stadium in Wales and that if he really wanted to leave a legacy he had to fight over there. JC will simply throw too many punches for Hopkins, especially at this stage of his career, I think he'll win.
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