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At the risk of a one way ticket to neg city I don't actually care much any more. I am in the minority though.

Same. I seriously think he has lost his way. I'll read the next one, that's for sure, but I'm not gonna be fiending for it like I was with Dance.

I actually liked the whole series a lot more this time round. The first time I read it through in a frenzy, just ploughing forward, waiting for something good to happen (it didn't). This time I took my time and enjoyed the characters I hurried over previously a lot more. Figuring out all the little nuances and background plots is really quite satisfying. Keeping track of who is pulling which strings is a full time job in itself. Also having done nothing but watch and read this since the series started (how many months is that?) it's really weird trying to read anything else right now.

The feeling will fade in time as the years go by and Gurm taunts you by doing seemingly anything other than finishing the bloody book he is supposed to be writing.

I waited out the last six years, and just when I gave up all hope he announced the new one. Coupled with TV execs looking over his shoulder I have a little faith in him this time round.

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For me the only bits that dragged were the Dany bits, the characters just aren't that interesting, I didn't care about Hizar whatsisface, I didn't particularly care about the plague and who it was killing, I didn't care about the sons of the harpy. Hell, the only interesting characters in the whole storyline there are Dany, Barriston, and the Dragons, and he managed to remove the dragons for most of it!

Take those out and I thought it ran at a reasonable pace, and anything not there was almost as good as the previous books I thought.

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The Westeros is so much more interesting than the stuff across the Narrow Sea. Except Tyrions chapters.

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I found Tyrion's chapters got a bit boring for a while though, didn't care for any of that nonsense with Penny, the dog and the pig.

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Okay, caught up on the thread now, too. Few things:

1. Wicked Kitten - couple things you mentioned, one being the greenseer guy. Who is it that you think he is? And why? I forget what name you mentioned but I don't know who that guy is. Also, the first Barristan quote, Ashara Dayne at Harrenhal... what happened there? The second quote is obviously Barristan backing up your C+J are Targaryens theory. Which is pretty exciting.

The Greenseer is Brynden Rivers. Lord Bloodraven from the Dunk and Egg stories who was also a Targaryen. As for what happened at Harrenhal, Brandon asked Ashara to dance with Ned, and at some point she ended up pregnant. Barristan also said something about young girls choosing fire over mud despite how fire will only end up destroying them and how Ashara had been dishonoured by a Stark, which describes Brandon more than it will ever describe Ned, plus there are other things that hint that it was Brandon who got her pregnant. Either way the child from that was a girl who was born stillborn so it couldn't have possibly been Jon no matter who sired her.

As far as Hodor, I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't somehow related to Dunk as Dunk was almost seven feet tall, Mind I wouldn't be surprised if Brienne isn't somehow related to Dunk as well.

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And Ayra.

It is hard (for me) to see where her story is going though... all seems pretty random!

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At the risk of a one way ticket to neg city I don't actually care much any more. I am in the minority though.

Same. Feast and Dance have really taken things off the boil for me and I've lost a lot of interest.

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Same. Feast and Dance have really taken things off the boil for me and I've lost a lot of interest.

I have to say I feel the same as well, those 2 books needed a ruthless editor and turned into a single book and even then it wouldn't have been up to the first books. I'll keep an eye on the next book but I won't be pre-ordering or rushing to buy it.

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I think the issue with the series now is that there is just so much going on that progressing the story of the world is taking ages.

I have found throughout the series, but more so as it progressed, that a chapter would end and I really wanted to read the next from that viewpoint straight away. Instead though I had a chapter to read from a viewpoint that I was not currently into. By the end of that chapter I had a renewed desire to read about the new character, had forgotten about the last but was looking at the next as if it was an impediment to finding out what is going to happen again.

What this is really, is that I like all the view points but I have a really strong desire to see the world move on and find out how it is all going to turn out. This is becoming progressively harder the wider the view of the story spreads and the more characters it encompasses.

I can only hope that with the books to come, these threads are actually drawn together or concluded so that the overall arc can come to a satisfactory end.

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I was really expecting Martin to draw the strands together somewhat in Dance. As it stands, he expanded the storylines even more, and even strands that appeared to be heading to a confluence (like everyone heading to Meereen) ended the book largely separate, still. On top of that he added several whole new plot strands.

I'm not sure how he's going to satisfyingly tie things together in two books.

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The thing is (and there's always a thing, isn't there?) that these last two books are _literally_ filler. They're what he needed to get out the way before he could carry telling on the story. Right? So obviously something's gone wrong somewhere, but hopefully it just means that everything's in place to roll forward as he had it planned, now. And by that I mean that rather than expecting the strands to be tied together at this point, I expect them to be laid out in order, ready to be picked up and threaded neatly into the ending in the next few books.

I doubt there'll be only 2 though.

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Aye, he's already said there are going to be 8 total now

He did? I'd have thought that would have been all over the blogs I follow and I don't recall anything turning up in my rss feed about it. Do you have a link to that?

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He did? I'd have thought that would have been all over the blogs I follow and I don't recall anything turning up in my rss feed about it. Do you have a link to that?

To be fair, rereading the article he didn't come straight out and say there would be eight books but it was originally only meant to be three and so far it has spread to secen so I wouldn't be surprised either way

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/07/george-r-r-martin-on-sex-fantasy-and-a-dance-with-dragons/241738/

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I'm really having a hard time getting through A Feast For Crows. His erotic fixation describing food every other chapter is getting right on my nerves and the uninteresting new povs are meh. Does it improve?

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I'm really having a hard time getting through A Feast For Crows. His erotic fixation describing food every other chapter is getting right on my nerves and the uninteresting new povs are meh. Does it improve?

I felt it did, yes. It's probably the low point of the series so far, but even saying that, the overall story is too good to give up on.

Stick with it. You're only about 600 pages away from reading awesome Tyrion chapters again.

EDIT: To be clear, that's in A Dance With Dragons.

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So, I've just finished A Clash of Kings and am wondering; is it best to buy the complete edition of A Storm of Swords, or read each part seperately? Does it work as two seperate volumes? Are they each self-contained? Or am I best off just reading it all in one go?

The reason I ask is that I'm interspersing my Song of Ice and Fire reading with other novels. Based on the current amount of time I have for reading, the full volume will take me in the region of four to six weeks to read, which I don't mind, but if the two parts work as standalone books, I might slip something else in between them.

Really liked Clash of Kings - it pretty much destroyed any pre-conceived ideas I had on the direction the story would take following Game of Thrones and has now generated a nicely suspensful 'all-bets-are-off' anticipation for what might happen in the future volumes.

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So, I've just finished A Clash of Kings and am wondering; is it best to buy the complete edition of A Storm of Swords, or read each part seperately? Does it work as two seperate volumes? Are they each self-contained? Or am I best off just reading it all in one go?

The reason I ask is that I'm interspersing my Song of Ice and Fire reading with other novels. Based on the current amount of time I have for reading, the full volume will take me in the region of four to six weeks to read, which I don't mind, but if the two parts work as standalone books, I might slip something else in between them.

Really liked Clash of Kings - it pretty much destroyed any pre-conceived ideas I had on the direction the story would take following Game of Thrones and has now generated a nicely suspensful 'all-bets-are-off' anticipation for what might happen in the future volumes.

The split of A Storm of Swords into two paperback volumes was done for practical rather than literary reasons. (A paperback that small with that many pages in it would be thicker than it was wide.) It is really just one big book with no sensible split in it. The first volume is warming up for the events in the next.

I would recommend reading the two volumes one after the other, as if it was one book.

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Cheers guys. Will get the full thing when I've finished reading Bad Science and 11.22.63.

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I have finished! It all! The sense of accomplishment is also joined by this feeling:

"WOOOO. I CANNOT POSSIBLY GET SPOILED BY ANYONE ON THE INTERNET ABOUT ANYTHING NOW. I KNOW IT ALL!"

Now I must (needs) hope that GRRM takes care of his cholesterol level and looks after himself for a few more years.

FishyFish: Read the complete A Storm of Swords now. :) It's the best book in the series. The first half moves along quite nicely, but by around... ohh... 60%... it becomes a series of awesome jaw dropping moments.

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I have finished! It all!

Have you read the Dunk & Egg novellas too?

I think they added a lot to my understanding of Westeros's history.

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I'm about 250 pages through the third book, but haven't watched the TV series yet. I'm in two minds whether I should start the show or wait until I've finished the series. In my minds eye I have an idea how each character talks and looks and I don't want the TV show affecting that. Or would I be pleasantly surprised with the characters on the show?

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I would have thought so - I came into it around the same time I think and loved the TV show. They're all very well cast, and it looks really authentic.

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Yeah, honestly if you're not happy with the casting and almost everything else about the TV show then you wouldn't be happy with anything.

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I'm on the last hundred pages of A Clash of Kings, it's brilliant. Perhaps even better than Thrones, which I read shortly after watching the (amazing) tv series.

I genuinely thought Bran and Rickon had been beheaded. George RR double-bluffed me. That bearded fiend. And the battle at King's Landing was immense, christ knows how they'll do that in series 2.

I think Varys is my favourite character. After Bronn of course.

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I felt the same. It's like the entirety of A Game of Thrones is just a preface for what's to come.

SPOILERS UP TO THE END OF A CLASH OF KINGS

The sacking of Winterfell was never on my mind during the first book, and yet it falls almost casually in A Clash of Kings.

My favourite characters remain Arya and Tyrion, though I was quite to like Davos quite a bit too. At this stage in the story it would seem unlikely that he'll return, but I can have hope - his death wasn't explicitly told I suppose...

And you're right, I have no idea how they're going to acomplish the attack on Kings landing in the television adaptation - especially the naval battle. I hope it doesn't get shoved offscreen, yet I'm fearful they might not be able to do it justice otherwise.

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You'll both be happy to hear that, for season 2 of the TV series:

Episode 9 is called 'Blackwater', written by Gurm himself and directed by Neil Marshall. And the producers have confirmed that they're going to show a good part of the battle at the very least.

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