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#1 Vimster

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 08:48 PM

Couldn't find a thread on this, could be dubstep-related but thought it deserved a thread of it's own.

It's wonky, sort of broken hip-hop, it throws all the rules about pristine production in the bin where it got it's beats from. It bumps along nicely, has a real punch to it, but swaggers along like a scruffily-dressed-yet-decent person, for want of a much better description.

Here are a few tracks I've tracked down for example:

Hudson Mohawke - Bottle Caps
Heralds Of Change - Stay Cool
Lone - Sea Spray
Rustie - Zig Zag

Not necessarily wonky but very close to it:
Percee P & Diamond D - 2 Brothers From The Gutter (produced by Madlib)
Roots Manuva - Witness The Fitness (superb video)

You could include some IDM people in there like Autechre, Funkstorung, or perhaps more hip-hop people like the late J Dilla.

Such a great sound, can you think of any more tracks/artists that might fit?
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 09:54 PM

Isn't Zomby lumped in with that scene?
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#3 Ben

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 10:03 PM

I always personally associated Wonky with the off-kilter, synth-heavy/8-bit dubstep that's coming out now, rather than the Dilla influenced hiphop.

Joker - GullyBrook Lane
Starkey - Gutter Music
Zomby's last EP on Hyperdub particularly, totally kills it - Aquafresh / 1UP / Kaliko

I may be completely wrong. Although I get the sense that none of the producers really like the genre tag - as if it's a tag that's been given for music that doesn't really fit anywhere. I'm not sure I could go to an entire club night of the music, or even listen to a full 90 minute mix, but for the odd track to listen to it's some of the most exciting and interesting music out there. Rustie's ZigZag track especially completely blew my mind last year, it's fucking light years ahead.

Really like that Heralds of Change track, just picked up the EP from emusic.
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#4 Don Rosco

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 10:03 PM

He is.
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 10:13 PM

Ha! Funny I should see Starkey's Gutter Music in here; been loving it over the last week - the first drop is just brilliance.

Edit: Nice one on the Joker track too - just noticed it's 3K Lane.



This wobble/wonk stuff is a pretty big characteristic of certain dubstep artists, you'll notice it a lot if you listen around.
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#6 Vimster

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 10:42 PM

I always personally associated Wonky with the off-kilter, synth-heavy/8-bit dubstep that's coming out now, rather than the Dilla influenced hiphop.

I may be completely wrong. Although I get the sense that none of the producers really like the genre tag - as if it's a tag that's been given for music that doesn't really fit anywhere.

As you say it's not really a genre as such, more a convenient tag. Listening to the dubstep end of it just reminded me of Madlib and some of the more leftfield Dilla stuff - joining the dots, as they say.

As for the Heralds Of Change, Spotted off the Puzzles EP is bloody amazing, can't see that on Youtube, sadly.
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#7 Vermin

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 11:16 PM

I think Samiyam has been thrown in with this lot, too. I'm rather fond of his stuff, particularly Rap Beats Vol. 1.
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#8 U2031

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 08:59 PM

Rustie - Zig Zag


This is brilliant
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Posted 06 April 2009 - 09:27 PM

Having listened to a few of the ace tracks linked to in this thread I'm putting Flying Lotus into this genre that isn't a genre. I'm not really sure dubstep is a music style either really - just a pigeon hole for a certain area of somehow-linked sounds. More of that kind of thing.
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Posted 06 April 2009 - 09:49 PM

If I can chuck in my piece, to my ears dubstep sounds like a jungle track but without the amen. I expect it to break out all the time, but it doesn't. Maybe it will head towards a more jungly sound at some point, but it doesn't sound quite complete to me.
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#11 solum

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 06:56 PM

LuckyMe collective - home of Mike Slott, Rustie, Hudson Mo, Nadsroic etc etc.

But dinnae say "wonky" to any of them. or ketamine.

If you're looking for more of this stuff check the beat dimensions vol.1 compilation. Vol 2 is coming out soon.

I'd also recommend checking out Dorian Concept. He's dope.
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#12 Vimster

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 03:37 PM

That Guardian Music Blog article led me to try the Zomby EP and it's great. The tracks are very short and sweet with a definite games flavour.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 04:41 PM

I've been listening to some Wonky stuff of late. Leaning more towards the hip-hop side of things....

Hi-Res - http://www.myspace.c...resolutionmusic
Free beat-tape - http://www.zshare.ne...6370161974c2f1/

Mike Slott - http://www.myspace.com/mikeslottbeats
Knock Knock and Boxed In are 2 of my current favourites

Onra - http://www.myspace.com/onra
My Comet is another current fave, his other stuff is less wonky.

Jamie Vexd In System Travel EP on Planet Mu - http://www.boomkat.c...m.cfm?id=174055
Title track is my personal highlight, all good shit though. Did a crazy remix of Scuba too.

Not 100% Wonky (if anything can be!) but Dam Funk has a sweet selection of loose synth funk beats on his Stones Throw mini LP.
Rhythm Trax Vol.4 promo -

Bit late I know, but I also just picked up on Flying Lotus.
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#14 Vimster

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 03:25 PM

Just for the crack I thought I'd have a go at making some of this sort of thing, here's what I came up with. It felt really good making it, you can just let go and enjoy yourself, and you can feel the weight as you cram the beat in.

/blatant-whoring-of-tunes
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#15 solum

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 08:45 PM

Aye Mike Slott is amazing. You can get a remix he did of one of my tunes from the Susology website.

(It's "American Men – ‘Ammn Sys M1’ (Mike Slott Golden Remix)
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Posted 01 June 2009 - 08:48 PM

oh, and that Hi-Res link is dead :o
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#17 acidbearboy

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 09:01 PM

Nice man, not so wonky though on that remix. Both those Hi-Res links seem to be fine for me, try 'em again.
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#18 solum

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 09:15 PM

Yeah it's strange, I think the remix is really great, but I had just assumed the drums were gonna be all over the place for some reason (although thinking about it it probably wouldn't have gone with the track).

And cheers, I've tried that link again and it seems to be working. Hadn't heard Hi-Res before; really impressed with the tunes on his player.
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Posted 04 June 2009 - 10:20 PM

Got sent a link to this earlier, interesting read - an in-depth intellectual and musical critique of Wonky, linking it in with other artforms and styles of music. A reasonably long read (8000 words according to MS Word!) but I found it pretty fascinating and haven't really read anything like it before on dance music:

http://rougesfoam.bl...ving-wonky.html

He's even attempted to musically notate Zomby's Kaliko! First section below:

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 07:06 PM

Got sent a link to this earlier, interesting read - an in-depth intellectual and musical critique of Wonky, linking it in with other artforms and styles of music. A reasonably long read (8000 words according to MS Word!) but I found it pretty fascinating and haven't really read anything like it before on dance music:

http://rougesfoam.bl...ving-wonky.html

He's even attempted to musically notate Zomby's Kaliko! First section below:


Amazing!

Looks like its worth the read.
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#21 acidbearboy

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 09:50 PM

Hmm, I read it all but it waffled a lot without coming to any solid conclusions. It was a fairly interesting read though for the most part, and if nothing else it alerted me to the wonders of Hudson Mohawke.
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#22 solum

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 12:08 PM

yeah it went on a bit. Who has the time to write this stuff? And what for?!

I respect that this guy has spent time on it. But why notate kaliko? I mean, it's an interesting song, for all the reasons that he mentions - but it sems to me that these days anyone musically attuned enough to be able to read and follow the notation would be able to just listen to the song and hear what was going on - ie. it's not going to introduce anyone to anything new I don't think.

But I have to say I come to this from the perspectives of both a musician and a fan, and in both capacities as someone who struggles to see the point in "serious" criticism of music.

Hudson Mohawke is great.

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Don't mean to pimp our website too much, but he's part of the LuckyMe collective, and you can get all sorts of good mixtapes from hudmo, mike slott, rustie, dema, jay prada, me )and the guests from our Glasgow club night, ballers social club) at http://www.thisisluc...html/mixes.html.

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 01:26 PM

http://pitchfork.com...2987-sugarette/

From Bibio's new album.
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#24 Vimster

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 05:18 PM

http://pitchfork.com...2987-sugarette/

From Bibio's new album.

Simply cannot wait for this album. Less than a fortnight.
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#25 acidbearboy

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 12:11 PM

http://pitchfork.com...2987-sugarette/

From Bibio's new album.

Like the sound of this. Will have to investigate.
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#26 acidbearboy

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 02:38 PM



Is it Wonky?
Is it Hip-Hop?
Is it Big Beat? :D
Who cares, it's fucking sweet.
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#27 dizogg

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 05:39 PM

I can't be into a type of music called "Wonky", just the name makes me want to punch faces.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:09 PM

I'm not sure what reminded me of this track earlier as it's a month or two old now, but I can't remember this ever being posted. One of my favourite tracks of the year:



Dorian Concept - Trilingual Dance Sexperience

Good vibes.
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#29 Vermin

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:19 PM

bph, I'm very disappointed in you for not telling us about this earlier. :lol:

So amazing though.
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#30 acidbearboy

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 09:30 AM

Yeah Dorian Concpet is ace. Preferred the b-side to that track though - "Tropical Hands".

He also has a track on this ace compilation I got recently: http://www.boomkat.c...m.cfm?id=173364
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