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I'm a bit disappointed if this is true - I was definitely interested in seeing what Bryan Singer would do with Film 2: the few comments that he and Routh had made about it sounded promising.

Superman Returns was very mixed, for me. For a start the film [i]looked[/i] great, and overall I'm definitely glad it was made. But as much fun as Kevin Spacey was, the portrayal of Lex Luthor as a mad scientist is (All-Star Superman aside) generally less interesting than that of an untouchable Kingpin-esque businessmen. (His "Kryptonite continent and threat of alien weapons we never actually see" plot was pretty bizarre too.) And as much as I enjoyed the original theme tune, the Daily Planet's architecture, and Brandon Routh's Clark Kent's often uncanny resemblance to Reeve's, retaining the earlier films' continuity was probably a mistake.

Fortunately the plane/shuttle rescue was superb - one of my favourite action sequences of recent years. I admit that sometimes, all I want in a Superman film is to cheer along with the on-film crowd as he makes a spectacular rescue or strolls towards a blazing minigun... he's fundamentally a wish-fulfilment character, after all, and once in a while there's nothing wrong with that. :D


Having said that, I have to disagree with those who dismiss Superman as too overpowered be interesting as a character or to tell interesting stories around - there have been some great tales over the years (again, most recently Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman, whose tone is exactly the opposite of what the above article proposes). But to include characters on the same power level as him you usually have to team him with the JLA and/or send him into space. Come to think of it, making him the "space opera" superhero would at least be a change of setting from all the other comics movies around... but again that would be a massive deviation from what's been so successful with The Dark Knight.

If they're planning to reboot it, I can see them taking many of their cues from the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Birthright"]Superman: Birthright[/url] origin story - knowing Lex Luthor growing up in Smallville for example. And since Batman Begins tried to make Batman's origin as plausible as possible, I can see them using Birthright's rationale for his "performance" as clumsy Clark Kent as well (there's a bit in that story where Perry White explicitly points out that he can't understand how someone so shy could be so successful as a journalist). The story also involves the public's mistrust of him as an alien (which Luthor does his best to spread), which is the kind of threat Superman can't just solve by punching, and is the kind of story you can only tell with a reboot of the character to a time before he's an established hero.
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They just need to remake most of Superman 2

certainly not because it needs remaking, oh no.

But the story is fucking marvellous in Superman 2.
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Why, this sounds suspiciously like the work of cynical, soulless and worthless cunts who will never aspire to peddle anything other than shit so long as there are enough desperate fools willing to eat it.

Prove me wrong, you coke-addled twatbags!

Edit: changed shitbags to twatbags because otherwise it was just too much shit.
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DC Comics would to make Kingdom Come albeit in CG form however, they state the technology wasn't yet ready. Quoted at comicon.
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Even in comics he's dull and HE was only ever good in the 60-70s where it was just psychedelic, stupid fun. The only appearance he should ever make on film again is to be beated the shit out of by Batman, hopefully Bale is still playing him of course:).
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[quote name='Kandy' post='5340630' date='Aug 22 2008, 11:32 PM']Even in comics he's dull and HE was only ever good in the 60-70s where it was just psychedelic, stupid fun. The only appearance he should ever make on film again is to be beated the shit out of Batman, hopefully Bale is still playing him of course:).[/quote]
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[quote name='Goose' post='5340298' date='Aug 22 2008, 08:57 PM']Do you know anything about spiders? One of the deadliest predators in the animal kindgom. :D[/quote]
Yay :D

[quote name='lordcookie' post='5340416' date='Aug 22 2008, 09:42 PM']I'd still prefer to see them tackle Lupin III (I know the latter was an influence for aspects of Speed Racer).[/quote]
There's the door, please get the fuck out. Seriously that's the stupidest thing I've seen all week. I happen To really like Lupin as a franchise (there's so much more to lupin than Cagliostro) and I'd rather not have it ruined by some big shot director who is more interested in money than the property. Lupin has survived 40years without fuck ups, let's not have Hollywood mess that up for us. With any luck Monkey Punch has the same thought. The only person ouside TMS worthy of a new Lupin project is miyazaki, a man with experience of both lupin movies and the various tv shows.

[quote name='SeanR' post='5340420' date='Aug 22 2008, 09:43 PM']a radioactive spider?[/quote]
FAIL
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I know nowt at all about Superman but I like the old films because they were the had gaudy outfits and glowing effects and a really awesome arctic crystal cave thing that he went to and it all sparkled and looked pretty and he flew that bird from Black Christmas around a bit and the music was all bombastic and uplifting and when he saved the day everyone cheered and I cheered too because I was like nine years old or summat.

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Deeeeeep breath.[/i]

Gritty Superman would be a massive fail, basically.
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If they want to make Superman dark, then they can go the [i]Dark Knight Returns[/i] route and portray Superman as a political weapon of the USA; maybe transplanting him into a War On Terror battle.
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Bizzaro could be a good choice as the antagonist for the next Superman film. I liked the way the Superboy series portrayed him as more of a tragic character, so maybe something like that perhaps with more of the mental & emotional instability could provide all the Darkness you need without having a character who is necessarily evil, just messed up.
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[quote name='Dandy_Sephy' post='5340671' date='Aug 22 2008, 11:58 PM']There's the door, please get the fuck out. [b]Seriously that's the stupidest thing I've seen all week[/b]. I happen To really like Lupin as a franchise (there's so much more to lupin than Cagliostro) and I'd rather not have it ruined by some big shot director who is more interested in money than the property. Lupin has survived 40years without fuck ups, let's not have Hollywood mess that up for us. With any luck Monkey Punch has the same thought. The only person ouside TMS worthy of a new Lupin project is miyazaki, a man with experience of both lupin movies and the various tv shows.[/quote]

Do I win a prize?

[i]If[/i] there ever was a live action Hollywood Lupin then I think they would be ideally suited to it. I've read in a few interviews that they love the franchise and they quite often dropped references for Cagliostro during their Speed Racer press tour so it wouldn't exactly be a 'take the cash and run' kind of deal for them. It will never happen so it hardly matters anyway.
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[quote]Lupin has survived 40 years without fuck ups, let's not have Hollywood mess that up for us[/quote]

Come on, not all the Lupin animated movies have been good, not to mention there was a Japanese live action movie. That said I think Hollywood doing a Lupin flick would probably end up being something like 'Undercover Brother' which is not the right direction.
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[quote name='lordcookie' post='5340704' date='Aug 23 2008, 12:23 AM']Do I win a prize?

[i]If[/i] there ever was a live action Hollywood Lupin then I think they would be ideally suited to it. I've read in a few interviews that they love the franchise and they quite often dropped references for Cagliostro during their Speed Racer press tour so it wouldn't exactly be a 'take the cash and run' kind of deal for them. It will never happen so it hardly matters anyway.[/quote]name dropping cagliostro is part of the issue though. Cagliostro, no matter how awesome it is, is a black sheep as far as lupin goes. It's actually un-lupin in some regards. Also cagliostro's chase sequence has been matched in other lupin titles (fuma conspiracy for one).


[quote name='Chopsocky' post='5340746' date='Aug 23 2008, 12:58 AM']Come on, not all the Lupin animated movies have been good, not to mention there was a Japanese live action movie. That said I think Hollywood doing a Lupin flick would probably end up being something like 'Undercover Brother' which is not the right direction.[/quote]Theres a difference between an average lupin animation and a Hollywood production. For starters the Hollywood production is almost guarenteed to be much less faithfull (the mass Market is hardly going to know any different). History shows me that american productions have a tendency to do whatever they want with licensed properties. The existing live Movie is supposed to be pretty faithful to the manga. There's also a question over how dark they go, the manga is a lot darker the the anime (I like both styles but the tone is different due to the nature of the mediums). The anime focuses more on the "chase" then the underworld
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A shame about Routh - he seemed born for the role.

Curious about the new direction. Nothing sounds definitive at the moment, though.

This could be in limbo for a wee while, I reckon.
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What kind of a fight could they have in a PG-13 though? Ideally there has to be blood to really show that supes is hurt
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Oooh, this could be good.

As much as I liked Superman Returns the only way back from 'the kid' syndrome would be that he dies very early on in the next movie due to kryptonite poisoning by villains, which is the thing that sends him all 'brooding' and stuff.

A major problem with a reboot is the origin story. People have to understand HOW he becomes Superman (boyscout-ish, noble, honest etc.) by finding the crystals, building the fortress and learning about his race from his long dead father. In the first film that took up over a quarter of the film and you can't really do a 'Hulk' or 'Batman Begins' with it.

I think they should just do the JLA movie, Green Lantern and Wonder Woman movies and then the next Superman movie should be him fighting Doomsday across Metropolis (with guest spots from the JLA) in which one of their fights kills his Mum, his son and Lois Lane. Which then leads to a 3rd film with him and Wonder Woman getting it together and a storyline involving Bizzaro sullying the name of Superman.
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Doomsday is so shit. Shitter than shit. Like a huge walking shit monster. Shows up, punches Superman to death, then dies. What a fantastic story. At least when they had Bane fulfil a similar role in Knightfall (which was, to be fair, also shit) he had stuff like motives and an agenda and all manner of other things that made him a character rather than just "The thing that is totally going to kill Batman." Having Superman contemplate mortality and sacrifice by having something show up and punch him really hard in the face is retarded, especially when as a character he knows anyone with a chunk of a Kryptonian geology could kill him too.

Seriously you could replace Doomsday with anything in the Death of Superman and it wouldn't really affect it. Robot Spider. A giant kryptonite powered Bulldozer. Jimmy Olsen.

Actually that last one would add all kinds of depth to the story. Scrap it.

I vote alien invaders, possibly Brainiac. Make him Kryptonian like in the cartoon and play off Superman's whole "loyalty to his new home" schtick. Massive potential for Superman fighting giant space robots too.
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I haven't read the comics basically because Superman is pants but if they do anything, they should have him fight alien invaders in a big series of spectacle fights. Then when the aliens are done and about to go home, the US can reveal some massively unethical alien genocide rocket thing which Superman hates, mixing it up Doctor Who style. Then they fire the rocket but Superman intercepts it and destroys it, dying in the process. The world and the aliens are humbled by his sacrifice and promise to live in peace. Then you see a small scrap of his cape floating in space, which comes towards the screen and engulfs it. CREDITS

Next film: Superman is back IN THE FUTURE but he has no memories of himself or his powers and he has to get them back quick smart to prevent a galaxy-wide catastrophe, with spaceships and stuff.

That'll be $50 million thanks.
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I'm not much of a Superman buff, but I think the best plan would be to go for a kind of retro, timeless feel which is kind of what the Donner movies did. Superman being conflicted/dark/topical is boring.

I think a live action Lupin could work, but it would be a real challenge to find an actor who can sell the character. Obviously the Wachowskis shouldn't be let anywhere near it.
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Aren't there about a billion and one DC comic characters for them to base a film on that would be more interesting than Superman? (or is the only reason they keep on trying is because of his built-in comic book fanbase), the films have all been middling and the world he inhabits isn't particularly gripping.
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[quote name='Tetchy' post='5341091' date='Aug 23 2008, 10:35 AM']A major problem with a reboot is the origin story. People have to understand HOW he becomes Superman (boyscout-ish, noble, honest etc.) by finding the crystals, building the fortress and learning about his race from his long dead father. In the first film that took up over a quarter of the film and you can't really do a 'Hulk' or 'Batman Begins' with it.[/quote]
I'm not convinced you need an origins story at all even if it is a reboot. The character is so well known I think the majority of people know how he became Superman.
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