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#1 Uzi

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 03:09 AM

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I put this in the xbox one thread, but thought it deserves its own.

 

A quick FAQ

 

CBOAT is a neogaf poster who is a trusted leak/source on the forum- he's been calling stuff out only an insider could know since before the release of the xbox 360. Apparently he has never been wrong or massively off. The mods there delete any unknown sources so this is pretty much legit in the eyes of neo-gaf. 

 

And he writes like that to help hide his identity/giving away his normal writing style apparently. He has been the recent source to say that MS is having hardware issues in the production of the xbox one and that they are paying off devs/publishers to give the PS4 versions of their games less exposure. Essentially in less than 24 hours he will be proven right or wrong I guess!:

 

^_^ confiemed micresft actively attemptbuyinr PS44FOUR nonmetnions. IF y dont explifitly here 3rdparty say “OUR GAME IS EXCLUSIVE FOR XBONE’ confdinetly assuem Ps4 version is avabilelbe behind scenes. #truthfact

^_^ stag2 indethpth drm mesaging a@t gamescom. rental stretegy is no stratgy, nolpan for support, just watnt o keep quiet. nontalk execs! beacuse mesaging isnt done. stagae1 waslast Tursyfday...clusterfuktotal

^_^ cloudpower=praroleofficer. desined from day1@s DRM. peirod. uknoo this alreyad thogh.,, MS idaea. aproached third parties wplan not otherway around. EA/Ubi bigest boostrs but lesa Activbliz whcih makes mye haed fulll of weird#!

^_^ ONE drm tos plans iws worse than you know. asmnow btw but I can;t get cororobating proof frrorm my fpeoples. theyr sadcared for jobs. it s com*ing tho IT IS COMING ):

^_^ MEedge2 at MS conf. langlewdell not mkaign an appearnce.

^_^ princeofpersian retgurgiate. for msfconf

^_^ sspecial sekrit Philupspensergame/? - world of banks frmo warmggamin.et

^_^ LIVEpaywallfirm like myb utocks in place for ONEE!1 f2p? sorury.

^_^ deadreising3 and exclcusive DLC for other capcpom game

^_^ onlingamingpayo.w.-allklk for Sony? ahha nope.noconfirm

^_^ sonty rapped up tighterrea than Virgin mosquito when on drm istuf. Frustartin!g myinfogloves!

Fianl things bef0re I hbieranate onte.h sleptime for ahwile.

1. aAll praisee neogaf
2. athanku alLL doubtersn ivirals, youre bitter tearzr are my bidet
3. be nice to mrajor nelson, he has ijob to do. like al snow
4. my balls, my wordd

cya

Translations :

 

1. Confirmed Microsoft is actively attempting to get developers to not mention PS4 versions. If they don't say "OUR GAME IS EXCLUSIVE FOR XBONE" expect a PS4 version. #truthfact

2. More DRM messaging at Gamescom. There is no rental strategy. Try to sweep it under the rug and hope people don't remember.

3. Cloud power was designed as DRM. Period. DRM was Microsoft's idea. EA and Ubisoft are supporters, Activision slightly less so.

4. DRM plans are actually worse than what they've stated.

5. Mirror's Edge 2 at MS conference.

6. Prince of Persia (reboot?) at MS conference.

7. Secret Phil Spencer game = World of Tanks?

8. Live paywall still there.

9. Dead Rising 3, and exclusive DLC for another Capcom game at MS conference.

10. No online paywall for PS4. Unconfirmed.

11. No DRM info for PS4.

 

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Loose Translation (My thoughts in parenthesis.)

MS actively attempting to buy silence on PS4 announcements. If you don't explicitly hear "exclusive for Xbox One", assume otherwise.

Stage 2 of discussing the DRM strategy will be discussed at Gamescom. Rental strategy is a lie. No plan for support; just want to keep quiet. Stage 1 was last Thursday's total clusterfuck.

The "cloud" is totally just a ploy for DRM. It's MS that approached third-parties, not the other way around. EA/Ubisoft support it a lot, but surprisingly not Activision.

One of the DRM plans is worse than you imagine. Can't get enough evidence to say more; people are scared for their jobs.

Mirror's Edge 2 at MS conference. No Tim Langdell. (lol)

Prince of Persia regurgitate for MS conference (port/remake?)

Uh.... World of Tanks? (No idea here.)

Xbox LIVE is still not free.

Dead Rising 3 and exclusive DLC for another Capcom game. (Not sure if DR3 is exclusive.)

Can't confirm anything about paying for Sony online.

Sony completely guarding any info regarding DRM.

Final words before I hibernate:
1. All praiseNeoGAF.
2. Thank all you doubters, your bitter tears are my bidet.
3. Be nice to Major Nelson, he has a job. Like Al Snow. (who?)
4. My balls, my word.

 

SOURCE: http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=581089


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#2 deerokus

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 03:38 AM

Maybe not too surprising if Activision aren't so keen on the DRM, they never used online passes and their strategy is for huge super-mass-market cash cows like CoD and Skylanders, which bring in sums EA and Ubisoft can only dream of.  They don't need it and it probably only limits the audience for those games.

 

Unless there's some huge market of pre-owned skylander toys I was unaware of?


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#3 Boozy The Clown

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 05:16 AM

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I probably shouldn't bother with the internet for the rest of the week.


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#4 Mr. Gerbik

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 05:33 AM

I probably shouldn't bother with the internet for the rest of the week.

Serious question: does it even matter to you if the worst case scenario for the Xbox One turns out to be true if there are new Forza games to be had? Or is there a theoretical point at which you say "fuck it, not even Forza is worth this shit, Gran Turismo here I come"?
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#5 sweetdaddyg

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 05:39 AM

Maybe not too surprising if Activision aren't so keen on the DRM, they never used online passes and their strategy is for huge super-mass-market cash cows like CoD and Skylanders, which bring in sums EA and Ubisoft can only dream of.  They don't need it and it probably only limits the audience for those games.

 

Unless there's some huge market of pre-owned skylander toys I was unaware of?

 

There is indeed a massive market for pre-owned skylanders


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#6 Boozy The Clown

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 05:40 AM

It all depends on what they've done with Forza. Right now I don't care how popular Sony are with everyone else. I'd have to be dragged kicking and screaming back to those shysters, I get that Sony are apparently saying all the right things but I really don't trust a word they say and they're lack of talk about the issues that are getting MS in the sh1t this week speaks volumes.

 

I think I'd rather just quit playing games and take up crosswords or something.


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#7 simms

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:05 AM

Sony's silence is deafening. I hope they reveal their true plans for drm in their E3 conferene but if I was them I would stay silent for as long as possible to keep the goodwill going.
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#8 mr_woo

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:10 AM

Yeah as good as Sony is looking right now we still don't know enough about their plans just yet.  They fucked up bad with the PS3 before afterall (at launch anyway) so let's just wait and see.


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#9 Wallace

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:16 AM

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Ffs, I read through that first part only to then notice a translation.
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#10 joffocakes

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:17 AM

I preferred when I could just pick the console with the best games.


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#11 Goose

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:17 AM

Same! :D
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#12 Mortis

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:17 AM

It all depends on what they've done with Forza. Right now I don't care how popular Sony are with everyone else. I'd have to be dragged kicking and screaming back to those shysters, I get that Sony are apparently saying all the right things but I really don't trust a word they say and they're lack of talk about the issues that are getting MS in the sh1t this week speaks volumes.
 
I think I'd rather just quit playing games and take up crosswords or something.


You could - you know - buy a PC ;)
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#13 joffocakes

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:21 AM

You could - you know - buy a PC ;)

 

I thought about that and I kinda might, especially with all those wonderful looking indie games I haven't played before like To The Moon and Thomas Was Alone and Kentucky Route Zero. Plus I've already bought myself a modest Steam games collection in their sales over the years despite having nothing to actually play the games on.

 

Do you have the option of joining controller-only servers for Battlefield and stuff though? I wouldn't want to play against mouse and keyboard types.


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#14 Hitcher

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:25 AM

Ffs, I read through that first part only to then notice a translation.

Me too!

 

And will they really know who he is by spelling correctly?


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#15 Siri

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:38 AM

I have to admit, I'm only here for one thing:
 

3. Be nice to Major Nelson, he has a job. Like Al Snow. (who?)


Who wants to talk about PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING? Look within:

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Layman's terms: CBOAT is asking for calm from NeoGAF after Major Nelson flat out denied his/her claims regarding eSRAM gains and caused GAF members to lose their shit. At the end of the day, Larry's there to make the company look better than it probably is behind the scenes and get paid for it, you don't need to rag on the guy.

As for the rumours: I'm quite surprised if Microsoft really was the company that forwarded the DRM solution to the Publishers - Given the amount of heat that publishers have been giving to used game sales over the last few years, I really can't see this being a one-way street. Either way though, it's here, and I don't like/want it.

I can't even imagine how the DRM is going to get 'Worse'. The only way it could is to put the cloud functionality - that will be pushed for most games - behind the X-Box Live Gold paywall. And I don't think Microsoft are that daft, surely?

Finally, I think we've all learnt by now about listening to exclusivity deals very carefully during this generation, and even then take it with a very liberal pinch of salt. We're still at a point in the industry where costs are high enough that even announcing console exclusivity will probably end up being on a time limit. If it's not in-house, you can bet count that it'll be multi-platform most of the time. 'Exclusive Content' is practically a death knell for true exclusivity, unless you really want that pre-order map pack.


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#16 Flub

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:48 AM

As for the rumours: I'm quite surprised if Microsoft really was the company that forwarded the DRM solution to the Publishers - Given the amount of heat that publishers have been giving to used game sales over the last few years, I really can't see this being a one-way street. Either way though, it's here, and I don't like/want it.
 

 

MS will have been talking to the publishers about this the entire current gen. Then they will have come up with a proposal for how to use tech to solve the second hand games problem and taken it to the big three. It'll be pretty funny if the MS did an Apple (Ebooks) and colluded in order to price fix and the publishers then used that to force Sony to do the same thing. Because that worked really well in ebook land :)


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#17 tyagi

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:48 AM

Finally, I think we've all learnt by now about listening to exclusivity deals very carefully during this generation, and even then take it with a very liberal pinch of salt. 

 

Totally agree with this. If ever flustered by a statement of exclusivity for one platform or another, take a deep breath, step away from the computer, and think about it calmly for a minute. If it's a third party developer, the platform owner will have to have stumped up an obscene amount of cash to get a permanent exclusive. It's almost certainly a timed exclusive, where timed can only be a few months otherwise the buzz has gone from the game's (very expensive) marketing, and there will be something better coming along anyway. Exclusive DLC is fine, and platform-specific features such as Kinect integration (or waggle, or whatever, just don't combine "waggle and Kinect" I don't want to see that) should be expected.

 

Each platform will have its own first party and platform-funded third party exclusives, and that's why so many of us ended up owning one of each of the previous generations' consoles. However, this time round it looks like the platforms are going in very different directions, so it's a matter of personal taste whether the style of game on Xbox One, PS4, or Wii U, is your cup of tea.


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#18 DocG

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:59 AM

If it's a third party developer, the platform owner will have to have stumped up an obscene amount of cash to get a permanent exclusive.

There's a lot of third party 360 exclusives though. More than I thought, anyway. To pick out just a few from that list:

  • Chromehounds
  • Bullet Witch
  • Dead or Alive 4
  • Frontlines
  • Left 4 Dead 1/2
  • Minecraft
  • Saints Row

Did Microsoft pay big money for all of those? Seems unlikely to me.


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#19 tyagi

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:04 AM

There's a lot of third party 360 exclusives though. More than I thought, anyway. To pick out just a few from that list:

  • Chromehounds
  • Bullet Witch
  • Dead or Alive 4
  • Frontlines
  • Left 4 Dead 1/2
  • Minecraft
  • Saints Row

Did Microsoft pay big money for all of those? Seems unlikely to me.

 

I think it was early/mid cycle for 360 when Microsoft decided to raid their piggy bank and secure a whole bunch of XBLA and third party titles. I'm guessing they spent quite a lot of money doing it, and it worked well. In my post above I should have noted that I was referring to third party AAA exclusives being very expensive -- what I was trying to get at was that if a developer/publisher such as EA was doing a AAA title then getting it as exclusive on Xbox would require a very large pile of cash just due to the investment being made by the developer, and the artificial limitation on addressable market by making it platform exclusive. 

 

Of the list you note above, there's probably only a few that may have cost significant money, I agree.


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#20 Cthulhu Steev

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:09 AM

There's a lot of third party 360 exclusives though. More than I thought, anyway. To pick out just a few from that list:

  • Chromehounds
  • Bullet Witch
  • Dead or Alive 4
  • Frontlines
  • Left 4 Dead 1/2
  • Minecraft
  • Saints Row

Did Microsoft pay big money for all of those? Seems unlikely to me.

 

I think some cash would have been given, but I I believe poor PS3 sales and press (and Gabe!) plus the difficulty in programming it didn't help matters either. It's going to cost them a hell of a lot more this time, if PS4 hits the ground running and both consoles do well from the start, which is probably where the 'no-mention' rumour is coming in - they're buying word-of-mouth exclusivity. We saw that last gen though with some of the big names been touted as MIcrosoft exclusives because MS paid for the advert.


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#21 Siri

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:17 AM

I'd also think that (admittedly, without really looking into it) you could chalk up early exclusivity with PS3's dire straits - The hardware was late, the architecture was ragged on by developers, and it was just a losing cause all round in comparison to the 360's development framework. I still remember reading up the absolute drubbing that Valve was giving to Sony in regards to getting The Orange Box working on the system, and being glad that I had a 360 so these games can actually happen without being a buggy mess.

Although I would chalk up Minecraft as a pure moneyhat, certainly. (although I've still got my suspicions about that 'Big' Vita title to be announced at E3)

EDIT: Like what Steev said! a bit late, there.


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#22 Robo_1

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:23 AM

H.H.H..H.HOLY Shit!

 

Superdae has just dumped 1.7 TBYTES of gaming secrets on the net. It was originally his insurance against prosecution from MS for hacking them, but since it's all gone a bit Pete Tong and he's actually been pinned with child porn charges, he's evidently decided to strike out.

 

I wonder what the hell sort of info is in those files....


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#23 Cthulhu Steev

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:26 AM

H.H.H..H.HOLY Shit!

 

Superdae has just dumped 1.7 TBYTES of gaming secrets on the net. It was originally his insurance against prosecution from MS for hacking them, but since it's all gone a bit Pete Tong and he's actually been pinned with child porn charges, he's evidently decided to strike out.

 

I wonder what the hell sort of info is in those files....

 

It's his child porn dump.


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#24 Robo_1

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:28 AM

It's his child porn dump.

 

LOL, uber trolling.

 

Sounds as though it's encrypted... what a dick. lol


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#25 Asura

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:31 AM

Something makes me suspect that list is false (or some of it is) - the Prince of Persia reboot. Pretty sure the previous reboot did quite poorly and the 3D series has never been the biggest moneyspinner despite critical success (I think the second one, i.e. the infamous "emo prince" one was the most successful). I'm certain I read somewhere a while ago that Ubi had "progressed" the series into Assassin's Creed and were leaving Prince of Persia behind for the forseeable future. Most of the other stuff are just things all of us either already know (the "exclusives" thing) or could guess, and pretend we "knew" when it came to pass (like the Mirror's Edge) thing.


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#26 Robo_1

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:34 AM

One of the DRM plans is worse than you imagine. Can't get enough evidence to say more; people are scared for their jobs.

 

Damn, what the hell could that be. Ballmer comes over and sweats on anyone who tries to boot up a game without being a member of Live.


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#27 DocG

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:35 AM

It's his child porn dump.

1.7 TB would be a lot of child porn. They're quite small.
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#28 Cthulhu Steev

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:38 AM

Damn, what the hell could that be. Ballmer comes over and sweats on anyone who tries to boot up a game without being a member of Live.

 

Ballmer's 'tongue-out' picture is added to the top-right corner of your screen, every hour you don't check in it gets bigger. Eventually Ballmer fills the screen and you get a phonecall from PRISM Microsoft to ask what you're up to.


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#29 Preacher

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:38 AM

Don't wanna read too much into this, but if DRM is a Microsoft initiative, maybe Sony aren't under quite as much pressure to deliver a DRM solution as we initially thought. 


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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:40 AM

Imagine if Cboat WAS Major Nelson.

 

:D


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